Portis staying?

I think it's totally possible CP could rebound and have a few very good seasons left. Honestly I believe he gave up on Zorn and did not prepare for the '09 campaign like he typically prepares. He looked slow, out of shape and generally unwilling to give 110%, which is what he'd given every game up to Zorn's 2nd year.

Deciding whether to retain him, for Shanny and Bruce, is probably a tough one. I think someone wisely pointed out Clinton could help his chances of staying in DC by working his ass off starting yesterday to impress the new regime. I think you could also say w/ confidence it's in his financial interest to rededicate himself. No franchise will pay him close to what he's due this year in salary.

3 more 1200 yard seasons and CP is in Canton.

3 more 1200 yard seasons and I'm the tooth fairy. Not going to happen.

I think some of you have forgotten that Portis has been in the top five in terms of rushing attempts 4 out of the last 5 years. The years he hasn't been in the top 5 are because he's been on the rack injured for half the season.

The guy has Thomas Jones mileage on him, and he's three years younger.


Joe Jackson Gibbs absolutely LOVED Clinton Portis. Even though CP is an ass at times and somwhat of a jerk...I'll go with Gibbs on this one!

We can love Joe Jackson Gibbs without believing everything he believed in was gospel, can't we? :)

Of course Gibbs would love Portis -- he gave the guy close to 400 touches a season. Why wouldn't he love him? But that Trans Am that Dad drove 20,000 miles a year isn't quite so badass anymore. It's high maintenance, only runs well right after a tune-up, and breaks down constantly.

It's time to put the Trans Am on Craigslist and start saving for a new ride.

I love hoe we can say that Portis should go but there are so many who love the "Never Has Done Anything For Us" Jason Campbell. But then again, onve he gets another contract which means more money YOU ALL WILL turn on him. WATCH !!!!

Totally OT, but I find it interesting that someone with the moniker MonkFan4Life would choose to support a player like Portis who doesn't practice, gets special treatment, and throws teammates under the bus, then trash a guy like Campbell who for the most part has shut his mouth and did his job, while most of the front office and lots of media pundits took a dump on him. I'd think a MonkFan (because I'm one myself) would be a bigger fan of the hard-working quiet guy. But whatever...


Portis was 13 yards shy of 1,500 the year before last behind the same line that the underachiever couldn't produce behind.

Okay, let me get this straight -- Portis's rushing yardage -- which took him 342 attempts, by the way -- 3rd most in the league that year -- is somehow proof that Campbell should have put up better numbers that year?

So you're saying that, say, since Thomas Jones had 1300 yards rushing that year, Favre should have had a better year throwing the ball? Yet his 3472/22/22 isn't markedly better than Campbell's 3245/13/6 -- in fact it's worse, if you go by passer rating.

Let's see -- DeAngelo Williams rushed for 1500 in '08. How did Delhomme do passing behind that line? 3288/15/12 -- 84.7 passer rating, a smidge higher than Jason.

Gosh, it kind of looks like Jason wasn't the only QB who did "OK" behind an O-Line that featured a 1000 to 1500 yard back.

It's almost like Campbell's performance is *totally irrelevant* to the argument of whether Portis should be here next year!

The guy gets hurt ;ast season and everyone says to let him go, or that we should.

Oh, I don't know, if I was so sick that I missed 25% of my work days over the past 4 years, I'm pretty sure my employers might start looking for a replacement, don't you?

Shanny knows what he had in Clinton Portis because he NEVER had another back like Portis after he sent him here.

Well, you got that right. He never had another 1500 yard back. He just had to make due with three seasons of consecutive 1000 yard backs he pieced together with bailing wire and duct tape. Reuben Droughns? Tatum Bell? Mike Anderson? Are you kidding me?

Get off his back, he already has put the team there on the way to the playoffs twice.

That's true, he has put the team on his back for two playoff runs. His 2.77 ypc playoff rushing average is also one of the main reasons those playoff runs ended.

Son of Man has called me out....my feelings are hurt.

I'll admit it though, I dont like Portis. I'll go as far as to say I do hate him. And i hate him because of what he has done to this team, how he has alienated his fellow team mates, and everything else that he has done...He doesn't appear to be sorry in the least, and given the opportunity, he is going to do the same things if he gets the chance. I hate how he is holding the redskins over a barrel. He will never change his ways. And people dont seem to get that, but thats fine.

I guess i'm wrong for wanting a guy like that off the team. People need to realize that we aren't going anywhere with guys like him because he disrupts any kind of unity/cohesion that the team would have. We have this great new coach, and great new manager, but if guys like Portis stay its going to be the same old same old, and you know it

My user name has nothing to do with this issue. The fact that it was your opening salvo really lets me know how much you had on me for a response. I'm a football fan chief, I can also take the Redskins shades off to judge a player for them and not what a newspaper or talk show host wants me to think. That's something else, but I'll get to the facts that you tried to prove me wrong with. I didn't say a thing about Williams and Jones but I'll meet you there also. Delhomme is one of the FEW QB's that I wouldn't drop Campbell for and Favre had a bad year BUUUUUUT he did throw 22 TD's as well. Campbells performance is relevant when the O-Line is one of the reasons given for his production or lack there of, he's another subject for me. On to the subject at hand.

Now, it took Portis 342 attempts to gain those yards, So the F what. He got them didn't he. Obviously there were a lot of men in the box, or maybe the same line that you would complain about Jason having to play behind gave him the same grief. I guess that doesn't count. I can't believe that you can really discount the fact that he put the team on his back for 2 playoff runs. Honestly, but you say because they lost that it was HIS fault ? WOW

I really wish you had looked up stats before you thought about choosing me as the guy to make a name on. Let's look at the great running backs that you speak of after Portis.

The year before Portis got to Denver (2001),Terrell Davis gave them 701 and Mike Anderson gave them 678.

'02 Portis - 1,508
Mike Anderson -386. I wonder why he wasn't starting ?
'03 Portis - 1,591
'04 Droughns - 1,240
'05 Mike Anderson -1,014
Tatum Bell - 921
'06 Tatum Bell 1,025
'07 Selvin Young -729

Do you notice something ? Like I said, He knows what he had in Portis, and that guy is not done. If people can say that Jason needs blocking to be successful, what can Portis do with the same thing ? The same thing that he has done without it,...produce.

This is a lot of typing so if you are on XBox Live we can continue this debate but believe me I'm not a kid, I'm not an easy win.

Son of Man has called me out....my feelings are hurt.

I'll admit it though, I dont like Portis. I'll go as far as to say I do hate him. And i hate him because of what he has done to this team, how he has alienated his fellow team mates, and everything else that he has done...He doesn't appear to be sorry in the least, and given the opportunity, he is going to do the same things if he gets the chance. I hate how he is holding the redskins over a barrel. He will never change his ways. And people dont seem to get that, but thats fine.

I guess i'm wrong for wanting a guy like that off the team. People need to realize that we aren't going anywhere with guys like him because he disrupts any kind of unity/cohesion that the team would have. We have this great new coach, and great new manager, but if guys like Portis stay its going to be the same old same old, and you know it

First, I don't care if he stays or if he goes. That said, IF he stays, I don't think it is the same old same old. Some coaches tolerate foolishness, and it causes issues, some coaches put rules and disciplines in place, and allow no foolishness, most of the time that backfires too, the great coaches balance hard discipline with individual idiosyncrasies and they more often than not are the great coaches. One of JG's best attributes was maintaining team spirit and esprit de corps while allowing for a guy like Riggins to go have a drink or two with a Supreme Court judge, or CP give press conferences in costume. Antics can relieve the pressures of NFL life, and the great coaches understand that and manage it.

I think Shanahan had enough of CP the first time, but maybe he can talk some sense into him this time. Time will tell.

First, I don't care if he stays or if he goes. That said, IF he stays, I don't think it is the same old same old. Some coaches tolerate foolishness, and it causes issues, some coaches put rules and disciplines in place, and allow no foolishness, most of the time that backfires too, the great coaches balance hard discipline with individual idiosyncrasies and they more often than not are the great coaches. One of JG's best attributes was maintaining team spirit and esprit de corps while allowing for a guy like Riggins to go have a drink or two with a Supreme Court judge, or CP give press conferences in costume. Antics can relieve the pressures of NFL life, and the great coaches understand that and manage it.

I think Shanahan had enough of CP the first time, but maybe he can talk some sense into him this time. Time will tell.

Perhaps I'm wrong but growing up during this time and laughing at it I thought it was after a SB run and Riggins was invited to a White House dinner? Gibbs didn't have anything to do with "allowing" him to go to it. I also thought it was after Riggins last year playing.

I don't know maybe I'm wrong.

You are correct....It was in 1985 and John was invited to the white house. Joe Gibbs had nothing to do with it.

But I don't think it would have mattered. The only thing that I dont like about the Riggins and Portis comparisons, is that some people here are making it out like Portis worked just as hard as Riggins. And that is simply not true. Riggins was a team player. He had his own issues (drunkness, other things), but he always worked to help the team. You never heard about him badmouthing everybody under the sun all the while playing on a broken back...

Ok, here's my issue:

1- As someone said before, this is a Portis thread and everyone is making it out to be about everyone else. The first joker wanted to bring Sellers into the arguement then blame everyone else for bringing Seller into a Portis thread. Then there's the second joker who brings up JC and people not on this team. I honestly don't care about whether other players are brought up but don't bring them up yourself then bitch about others doing it.

2- No one said Porti is crap. I think we all know what he has done and what he as accomplished. But the issues are not about what he "has" done in the past for us its what he is going to be able to do for us. As a player who is getting older, is more injury prone, and is slowing down... is he worth keeping on this team? I still say his head injury may have decided for us. The doctor as far as I know still has not cleared him.

YouTube - YOU GOT KNOCKED THA FUGGG OUT!!! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UzfY-aXGcBY&feature=related)

3-This year is to be an uncapped year. Most experts are saying they believe a new CBA will be put in place after this year. If a team wants to shed any big contracts with out it hurting them future wise this would be the year. Maybe it will go longer but what we do know is this year will not have a CAP and the owners know it and if they want to shed big contracts this is the year to get it done. Unfortunatly Portis falls into this catagory.

4- "If" the team can pay off Portis, and his doctor clears him, and the team wants to re-sign him to a more reasonable contract then I'm for keeping him and bringing in someone else to split time on the field so Portis's whinny ass doesn't have to complain about the beating he's taking. But I'm more about the team playing as a team. The team acting like a team, so if Portis gets cut I know I won't be upset. I know it was not all Portis's fault just as I know it wasn't all JC's fault, but I do know that no one should be getting special treatment. That is if they view themselves as a team player and a team. Everyone does the work. Everyone does the practices. Everyone does the preseason. It's a way for the coach's to evaluate the players and their progress. Are they getting the timing down? Are they hitting the holes right? Are they blocking the right people? Are they running the right routes? What if JC sat out all preseason then started game day? Do you think he would be completely ready to step on the field and win a game for us? Do you think he would have the receivers routes down and be able to deliver the ball on time?

No one person is bigger then the team or the game. I can over look the comments Portis has made if the players can over look them. If the team has made up and kissed then I'm good with Portis staying so long as he doesn't hurt us because he's not learning the plays on the field or practicing the plays on the field, or his Salary.

No the other players mentioned.... Sellers is getting old, I hope they have a replacement for him. JC is not an elite QB in my book. He's servicable, is young, and for the most part healthy, I don't have a problem with him cause he actually practices and plays. I'd like to see us pick up a Frachise QB cause I don't see it with JC but otherwise if the coaching staff believes he is right for their system then I'll be happy knowing someone who knows their system thinks JC can run it.

I'll even go a step further.... I hope they do something with AH's contract. I'm not sure if it was $100 mill if he plays the whole term or if it's guarenteed? If it's guarenteed then I'd say try to pay off the majority so if a CAP comes back into play we only owe him like half the amount. If it's only the $40 mill guarenteed then pay him that and rework his contract. If he doesn't want to be in a 3-4 as some of you seem to think he said then let him go if he wants to go. Rather trade him out. Maybe pick up a NT or a draft pick or both.

Samuels I don't see coming back even though he's waffling. I can't see him returning with the neck issue. Same with R.Thomas. Anyone else with an off the chart salary we need to look into? fix it. Rework it. Whatever.

Perhaps I'm wrong but growing up during this time and laughing at it I thought it was after a SB run and Riggins was invited to a White House dinner? Gibbs didn't have anything to do with "allowing" him to go to it. I also thought it was after Riggins last year playing.

I don't know maybe I'm wrong.

I don't mean to say that he allowed it in that sense, but there was also no discipline imposed, which today would probably be demanded. My point was to say that Gibbs gave players room to be themselves and probably directed that energy toward team building, should I have used the camo dress up before the dallas game, or other antics of Riggo. I don't think being a character or diva in and of itself is bad, but if not managed and guided into positive outlets, than it will become destructive, and that is what has happened with Portis through the Zorn Experiment.