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Zerohero
01-14-2010, 07:35 PM
Say what?

Maybe i should have said more trade value. Not saying great but more than a bust qb would get. Or i could have never said that haha.

Zerohero
01-14-2010, 07:38 PM
Suppose Mike Shanahan believes that JC is pretty good but Bradford or Clausen is a franchise QB. Do you want him to disregard what he believes and pick a LT anyway?

I trust Shannahan and he hope whatever he does works, just when a qb is picked high the pressure is to put him in quickly and we see how that works. While i dont want a qb picked first, i can live with it as long as we address the line with the rest of the draft.

Lotus
01-14-2010, 07:49 PM
that is true but lets look at two scenarios

Draft a qb which is proven high risk, give him tons of money and know that he will prob not even play first year. If he is a bust it is a complete loss, almost no trade value.

Draft an OL that is lower risk, give him good money but less than a QB would have got. If he is a bust, move him to RT. If he a bust keep moving down the line. Complete bust he still has trade value.

You are right that a first round QB is a greater risk than a first round tackle. But sometimes the risk pays off. What if the Colts had never risked taking Manning? Or if the Chargers had never risked taking Rivers? Etc. etc. The first round qb is high risk but also very high reward.

Again, I'm not arguing for a qb. And I sure don't want us to squander a pick on a Ryan Leaf. But if we could find the next Rivers, wouldn't that be cool?

Zerohero
01-14-2010, 08:01 PM
You are right that a first round QB is a greater risk than a first round tackle. But sometimes the risk pays off. What if the Colts had never risked taking Manning? Or if the Chargers had never risked taking Rivers? Etc. etc. The first round qb is high risk but also very high reward.

Again, I'm not arguing for a qb. And I sure don't want us to squander a pick on a Ryan Leaf. But if we could find the next Rivers, wouldn't that be cool?

Well i am just giving my opinion, i am not a gambling type. So most of my posts on different matters will reflect that. Of course some teams have taken the risk and won, but FAR more have suffered much from high QB picks. I dont think LT busts hurt a team as much. Thats what i was trying to point out earlier but i didn't make it clear.

Lotus
01-14-2010, 08:04 PM
Well i am just giving my opinion, i am not a gambling type. So most of my posts on different matters will reflect that. Of course some teams have taken the risk and won, but FAR more have suffered much from high QB picks. I dont think LT busts hurt a team as much. Thats what i was trying to point out earlier but i didn't make it clear.

It is hard to argue with that.

BTW I have not been arguing with you, just trying to think through the possible draft-the-QB scenarios. I'd be psyched if we took a franchise LT at #4.

Beemnseven
01-14-2010, 08:08 PM
Why not draft a QB? It doesn't make much sense to just say let's just wait a year see what happens with Campbell and then get a QB in 2011. If we're in position to get one now, why not? He'll have a year in our system going into 2011.

I know we need linemen, but I think too many of us are thinking well let's just draft anyone that plays the position so we can pile up players in that position and hope a few stick. That doesn't make much sense to me. Plus, all the linemen in the world won't matter if there's no QB.

Don't forget, it's not just the passer that needs protection -- the running game has been lacking too.

Our offensive line is in serious need of attention. If Okung or Williams or any other O-tackle slated in the top five, even top ten is there, I just don't see how you can pass him up for a QB.

Beemnseven
01-14-2010, 08:26 PM
Well i am just giving my opinion, i am not a gambling type. So most of my posts on different matters will reflect that. Of course some teams have taken the risk and won, but FAR more have suffered much from high QB picks. I dont think LT busts hurt a team as much. Thats what i was trying to point out earlier but i didn't make it clear.

Good point. Robert Gallery comes to mind. Bust as a left tackle but apparently has turned out to be a decent guard.

53Fan
01-14-2010, 08:32 PM
Don't forget, it's not just the passer that needs protection -- the running game has been lacking too.

Our offensive line is in serious need of attention. If Okung or Williams or any other O-tackle slated in the top five, even top ten is there, I just don't see how you can pass him up for a QB.

I could not agree more. Not only do we need protection for the QB, we also need something to run behind. When was the last time we could chew up the clock by running the ball? This line doesn't need a check-up, it needs major surgery.

CultBrennan59
01-14-2010, 09:42 PM
Me being someone who doesn't like Jason Campbell, I believe that Shanahan actually should keep him and maybe draft a guy like Dan LeFevour in the 3rd round. I was a strong Bradford supporter, and kind of still am, but I learned that OU's offense is considered a spread offense that is very QB friendly. Mix that with the fact that he separated his shoulder on a hit which Campbell and other NFL QB's take daily, and I say this.
Trade Back,
Get Rolando McClain.(Cause it sounds like we may need a 3-4 MLB) And maybe a second rounder.
Get Charles Brown out of USC with the second rounder.
With the other second rounder get either Mike Iupati the guard from Idaho, or Terrance Cody from Alabama, OR Vladamir Duccesse the athletic Guard/tackle from UMass.

If you haven't seen McClain he's one of those prospects that come around very rarely that no matter you teams need, or if you have too many needs, you don't pass him up. Someone here said he could be the next Ray Lewis...they're not bluffing.

YouTube - Universal Draft Presents LB Rolando McClain of Alabama - Part 1 of 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miJwMCgaxKo)

Beemnseven
01-14-2010, 10:11 PM
I know this gets repeated often, but when everybody says "trade down" remember ... you have to have a partner willing to trade up. That doesn't always happen.

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