The Tempered Expectations Thread

I like to call it cautious optimism. I am holding out full-fledged homerism until I see the coaching staff put in place and some roster moves made. I don't have any specific moves in mind but if we can get some draft picks for one or a few underachieving vetrans (Landry, Portis, Rogers, (maybe Campbell but I wouldn't hate it if he was back)) and the ones we don't part with get a fire lit under them.

Not looking for 9-7 or even 8-8 at this point, anything better than 0-6 in division and being consistently competative.

Our secondary needs some serious coaching up, sorry Jerry please go somewhere else, they can't cover anything but their faces in shame and tackle like an epileptic penguin(looking at you Landry). Unless somone is half a step out of bounds running away Landry can't land a solid hit since being mowed over by BJ.

We all know the OL problems, I am not worried that they and the rest of the "offensive" issue will be adressed now.

I digressed a little there and combined about three posts into one, I am happy with new direction and hope my renewd faith isn't crushed once again.

It won't be long before we will begin to get answers to all our questions and concerns. After all is said and done, all the speculating ends, the bottom line will surface in the won loss record. All the moves will be the right ones if the team becomes a winning one, if not we're back to square one.The only thing that's going to keep the question and uncertainty away is winning football games BL. Pray for winning!!...Just pray that we win!!

Why should Snyder have involvement in determining the roster? If Snyder wants Chad Ochocinco, should he make Shanahan and Allen go out and get him? That's exactly the sort of behavior that has turned our franchise into a laughing stock.

On an nfl.com interview.(Cant link for another 15 posts) Shanny says toward the end I think, he has final say but will take the advice of others. He also states he had that power in Denver but never used it. It may be word games but at least Snyder as acknowledged his involvement has been a problem and at least is trying to create the perception he is backing off.

It won't be long before we will begin to get answers to all our questions and concerns. After all is said and done, all the speculating ends, the bottom line will surface in the won loss record. All the moves will be the right ones if the team becomes a winning one, if not we're back to square one.The only thing that's going to keep the question and uncertainty away is winning football games BL. Pray for winning!!...Just pray that we win!!

Agreed. Trying to dissect things right now is a little pointless (but of course what else are we here for?). The proof will be in the pudding.

Snyder shouldn't have any involvment in determining the makeup of our roster. He also shouldn't have close personal relationships with any of the players. The point at which either of those statements is no longer true is the point that this team will start spiraling downhill (again).

There is nothing intrinsically wrong with an owner who has personal relationships with players. Look at Bob Kraft/Tom Brady. In fact, it would be close to impossible for an owner not to have said relationships.

The point is that the owner should not engage in those relationships in a way that undercuts the authority of the FO. That has been the problem. Hopefully those days are gone with the Redskins. Hopefully.

The proof will be in the pudding.

There's pudding too!!! Awesome.

Agreed. Trying to dissect things right now is a little pointless (but of course what else are we here for?). The proof will be in the pudding.

As always, you're the good voice of reasoning.

Help me understand that statement. Correct me on my history if it's wrong. When Snyder bought the team in '99 we had records the previous 6 years of (1993) 4-12, (1994) 3-13, (1995) 6-10, (1996) 9-7, (1997) 8-7-1, (1998) 6-10. We had a record of 42-52-1 (.450) between the years after Gibbs retired and Snyder purchased the team. Since Snyder bought the team the winning percentage is .476. He's made the team the 2nd highest revenue grossing team in the world. He's tried, and failed miserably, to do anything his money can buy to improve the team and build a winner but sadly he's only brought us UP to the level of mediocre!

A lot of people act is if he took things over from Cooke and drove a Ferrari into a brick wall. Guys, we were already an IROC-Z T-top, he just tried to throw a spoiler kit onto it and sell it as a Ferrari.

Look, I am FAR from a Snyder apologist but I'm not a fan of hyperbole or media parrots either. [/rant]

Your history is right, Im not saying we were not having problems with coaching, players, etc...Im was refering to running of the organization. Yes Danny Boy is a great business man, 2nd highest revenue team...great for him. But his style, like you said has failed and no he shouldnt have any in personel decision he sucks at doing it. It doest work. In the last decade we have easily been the worst team in our division...thats not media saying it, its what Ive been watching for the last 10 years. Ill refer to your sig as well, Marty stating obviously it starts at the top. Thats not the media but a coach. This last year he and Vinny were pretty classless.

I think the difference between the Gibbs hiring and Shanahan hiring are:

Gibbs came in at a point where the franchise didn't have a QB in place, the roster was a mess (lots of holes), etc. His level of energy wasn't there like it was like Gibbs I (he just wasn't the hard ass he used to be).

Shanahan is coming in here hungry after getting fired and has been preparing himself for almost a year for this moment to happen and prove everyone wrong. The roster is in a lot better shape with the exception of the OL and RB, I think QB play can improve with a better line.

What I see:

Danny realizes he needs to step back and let BA and MS do their thing, my main concern with Shanahan is that I want to see him hire a DC like either Gray or Zimmer and not Slowick as DC.

There's pudding too!!! Awesome.

Oh yeah... pie and pudding. It's what we're good for here.

I like old school butterscotch pudding, hell even some good ol' rice is good too.