Redskins pick 4th in the draft

I'm not quite sure who I want. I mean if we draft a QB in the first round (and I kind of feel we should) then I'm torn between Clausen and Bradford. I think each is a potential high-risk, high reward choice.

After that-not sold on Pike, think Snead could make a good pro but have concerns about his mental toughness, not sure Zac Robinson can be an everydown QB, think Dominic Randolph might not be tough enough, and have some doubts about Skelton's maturity level (from some reports I've heard).

I think the one guy I most want is Jonathan Dwyer, RB from Georgia Tech, but not in the 1st round of course.

I'd ideally like to get Bradford/Clausen in the 1st, USC OT Charles Brown in the 2nd and then hope to trade into the late 2nd/early 3rd and get Dwyer

bradford would be especially very bad here imo without a line. if you watch bradford from his soph year, he had literally all day to throw. now he is coming off a major shoulder injury, i just dont see him being a good fit in washington. clausen would be my choice, he has had to face a lot more hardships through playing at nd during a lot of rebuilding time. and i really dont think much of pike. that being said, i hope we stick with campbell and forget about drafting a qb high. as for dwyer, he is a great back, but i seriously doubt he drops far past our 2nd round pick if he even comes out, hes a junior and i havent seen anything anywhere that says hes coming out yet, though i could have missed that.

I actually like Dominique Rogers-Cromartie, Aqib Talib, Antonio Cromartie, and Kelvin Hayden. Those guys are all pretty young and are going to get better. Even Asante Samuels would be worth a look, though he is getting older at 28 (if we got another player or pick). We may need more compensation to get the value of that pick but I'm just saying it's the least risky and most likely reward potential.

This may sound crazy but hear me out first. Also this is assuming that we do get Shanahan. I think we should trade the 4th pick for a shutdown corner with NFL starting experience. Someone like a younger version of Asante Samuel.
1) Risk - We absolutely can't afford to waste this pick on a possible bust. If we get a young stud CB who has proven potential and already gone thru the NFL learning curve, we can be set at this position for a while. We reduce the risk of failure by not drafting with this pick. Something about picking in the top 5 scares me.
2) Premium for a good CB - Though OT (and QB) are more glaring needs, it seems simply impossible to ensure that we get a starter with true value at these position. I think CB is one of the positions that is the hardest to find a solid player (next to QB). Drafting a rookie to fill this role later is going to be equally tough and risky. No one knows if these guys will develop coming out of college. Let another team take the risk of developing them and we can take advantage of their labor.
3) Later picks/better scouting - With a lot more picks than we usually have and a real GM (in addition to Shanahan's staff), i feel confident that we can get a starting O-linemen in the later rounds of the draft with one of those picks. It's more likely that we can get one or two starting linemen if we throw more picks rather one high profile one at the problem.
4) From a cap standpoint this may make more sense too. The going rate for a top 5 pick (especially an O-linemen or QB) is irrationally high nowadays. If we are going to throw away those kinda dollars at a player, I want to be sure that he sees the field and performs. By getting a good CB with starting experience, we can ensure that he will see PT at a somewhat reduced cost and we'll be able to chase other pieces with that money. You sound like you're out of your mind. I completely understand the importance of a shutdown corner. But our team doesn't need a shutdown corner right now. We need offensive linemen. We need a franchise qb. We need lbs. We need breakaway rb. We do not need to address our secondary when they have played pretty solid this year. What we need to do is trade the pick away for more picks.

I want Berry damn it!

Is Berry going to keep our qb from getting killed every other play or open up holes in the running game? If not, then we should either draft Okung or trade for more picks. We need OL more than anything but we also need depth.

^ none of those guys are worth the 4th pick in any draft. Samuel is great but he's in Philly where they would never trade to a division rival... Sorry but this isn't franchise mode in madden, you can't trade a pick like that for a 29 year old corner .

You sound like you're out of your mind. I completely understand the importance of a shutdown corner. But our team doesn't need a shutdown corner right now. We need offensive linemen. We need a franchise qb. We need lbs. We need breakaway rb. We do not need to address our secondary when they have played pretty solid this year. What we need to do is trade the pick away for more picks.

In an ideal world u can trade away picks and get value for the extra picks u receive, but its not that easy to find a trading partner who gives you value for that pick. It seems like less and less these days that NFL teams are willing to move into the top 10 to draft guys, b/c of the risk of whether they will adapt to the pro game from college as well as the cap implications if they fail (due to these absurd rookie contracts). Also though I'll agree that offensive linemen are the safest position to take in the top 5, they are still anything but a sure thing. I'm just scared sh*tless of having this pick be a bust. It means too much for our franchise.

^ none of those guys are worth the 4th pick in any draft. Samuel is great but he's in Philly where they would never trade to a division rival... Sorry but this isn't franchise mode in madden, you can't trade a pick like that for a 29 year old corner .

With the exception of Hayden all of those young guys were taken in the top 20 of their respective drafts. IMHO, these guys have a legit shot of growing into a shutdown corner role. That along with the fact that we'd have to pay them a lot less money (as compared to a #4 pick) to me is worth dropping ~15 spots. I also said that we could try to pick up an extra pick or player to even up the transaction.

In an ideal world u can trade away picks and get value for the extra picks u receive, but its not that easy to find a trading partner who gives you value for that pick. It seems like less and less these days that NFL teams are willing to move into the top 10 to draft guys, b/c of the risk of whether they will adapt to the pro game from college as well as the cap implications if they fail (due to these absurd rookie contracts). Also though I'll agree that offensive linemen are the safest position to take in the top 5, they are still anything but a sure thing. I'm just scared sh*tless of having this pick be a bust. It means too much for our franchise. A few years ago, I told guys on ESPN Redskins message board, that trading our picks for veterans was bad way to build a team. They looked at it as not being a big deal. They felt as long as you got quality guys it didn't matter if we drafted them or acquired them in free agency. Three years later, these same guys now realize that they were wrong. The draft is very important. It's about time us as fans start showing some patience and let guys develop.

If you look at it, our team is old. Right now, we need to get younger on offense and defense. We need to build depth in every position, not just the OL. That is what the draft is for. I can't see why anybody would think it's a good idea to trade away the 4th pick to acquire a vet that you're not sure is going to work out. The best thing for us to do is to trade down. We need more picks.

Trade Cooley for more picks, and that will address the line. Interesting that the Rutgers OT is already jumping like crazy by Scouts Inc. They claim many OL prospects, so thats good news.

Trade Cooley for more picks, and that will address the line. Interesting that the Rutgers OT is already jumping like crazy by Scouts Inc. They claim many OL prospects, so thats good news.


I love the move of trading Cooley for more picks, not sure if that is a very popular move around DC though? I would hate to give him up, but for what ever reason this organization wants to draft a QB in the top 5. If that is the case then we need anouther first round pick to shore up the line a little. No other player on our team garners a 1st round pick, or 2nd for that matter. I can't believe that we have the opportunity to draft the best Olineman in college and we are crapping on that because of Danny's unrelenting desire to get Campbell of the door.