53Fan
01-04-2010, 03:56 PM
I agree FRPLG. One of the things I noticed in Allen's presser was, he said the COACH would decide which assistants would stay or be let go. I hope this means a return to power of the HC and The Dan will back off with any interference. His relationships with certain players has undermined the HC IMO.
FRPLG
01-04-2010, 04:03 PM
Preferential treatment was a huge, huge issue when I was down there back in the late 20th century/early 00s. But it wasn't really with Snyder-it was with other owners who are no longer part of the team. With Dan Snyder it was really-and I think it still is-an open door policy. Some players took advantage of it more than others but from my recollection there wasn't any overt preferential treatment from him.
What exactly is happening now I can't really say but it's not like this is kind of stuff is all that uncommon. Like when Parcells was asked to explain why he cut Quincy Carter because of drug problems but put up with Lawrence Taylor for so many years he basically said "Because one guy is LT and the other guy is Quincy Carter"
Still, I think a lot of this will change with Vinny gone now. As I think I may have told a couple of you a big reason he was let go was that he couldn't/didn't have control over the basic organizational structure and that was extremely detrimental. That coupled with the fact that Zorn is someone who never really earned the respect of the players-he couldn't say trust me this works the way say Gibbs could-just made for a bad combination.
I would say this...the mere appearance that any players can go off talking to the owner about the organization, side-stepping the head coach, is completely poisonous. If DS's door is always open he needs to close it. Talking to Snyder about doing a charity event or something is cool...it needs to go through the head-coach. Talking to DS about why your position coach sucks isn't cool...it needs to go through the head-coach so he can tell you to go eff yourself. Until there is some top-down structure and not some amoebas cauldron of "rule guys" and "guideline guys" we're not going to ever get back to being a consistent winner.
hurrykaine
01-04-2010, 04:07 PM
Dang. We all knew stuff like this was going on but I did not know it was this bad.
Bruce and Mike, right this ship!
On a different note, Bruce - could we get rid of Wynn and Daniels? - the so called "locker room" leaders who haven't performed over the years. I can't stand those two fuckers and their righteous tirades after we get our a$$ kicked. Righteous guys with no talent are as much a symptom of what's wrong with this organization as uber-high-priced free agents. Rock can bolt too as far as I'm concerned - no way he's worth the $1.6 odd million he is due next year.
JoeRedskin
01-04-2010, 04:08 PM
Preferential treatment was a huge, huge issue when I was down there back in the late 20th century/early 00s. But it wasn't really with Snyder-it was with other owners who are no longer part of the team. With Dan Snyder it was really-and I think it still is-an open door policy. Some players took advantage of it more than others but from my recollection there wasn't any overt preferential treatment from him.
What exactly is happening now I can't really say but it's not like this is kind of stuff is all that uncommon. Like when Parcells was asked to explain why he cut Quincy Carter because of drug problems but put up with Lawrence Taylor for so many years he basically said "Because one guy is LT and the other guy is Quincy Carter"
Still, I think a lot of this will change with Vinny gone now. As I think I may have told a couple of you a big reason he was let go was that he couldn't/didn't have control over the basic organizational structure and that was extremely detrimental. That coupled with the fact that Zorn is someone who never really earned the respect of the players-he couldn't say trust me this works the way say Gibbs could-just made for a bad combination.
For all the Snyder bashing, I really think Snyder's biggest problem is that he simply asks "What do you think we need to win?" and then goes out and "gets" whatever a trusted scout, coach or executive says is needed: "We need a big tackle"; "We need a new QB", etc. There doesn't seem to be anyone who says "Whoa there big fella - let's make sure all these 'gets' fit into a long-term successful plan".
To me, VC was never gonna nix anything - "Sure, Mr. Snyder, yes, Mr. Snyder you're wonderful Mr. Snyder - get whatever they say will work Mr. Snyder." If it works, great - VC takes some credit for it. If it failed... well ... "Yes. Mr. Snyder it didn't work out but I relied on ____, Mr. Snyder. Clearly he screwed up Mr. Snyder ... It's probably Gregg Williams fault Mr. Snyder."
It's all conjecture, but I really think Cerrato was the rot in the apple. Hopefully, with him gone, the rot can be excised and accountability can return.
BA pretty much said today the team needs to change the way they do business. I think this sort of stuff is what he was alluding to.
SmootSmack
01-04-2010, 04:13 PM
We've talked about this before. Snyder will get his coaches whatever they want which some say makes him a good owner. He'd be a great owner if he didn't always get them what they want. It's almost like a father. The best out there know when it's necessary to say No
diehardskin2982
01-04-2010, 04:24 PM
I hope in this house cleaning Snyder pays Shanny more than his highest paid player so that it is made clear that buck literally stops there.
KLHJ2
01-04-2010, 04:35 PM
I hope in this house cleaning Snyder pays Shanny more than his highest paid player so that it is made clear that buck literally stops there.
That will never happen, not in this day and age.
CRedskinsRule
01-04-2010, 04:44 PM
We've talked about this before. Snyder will get his coaches whatever they want which some say makes him a good owner. He'd be a great owner if he didn't always get them what they want. It's almost like a father. The best out there know when it's necessary to say No
That is Bruce Allen's job now right? To say no when the new coach screams I want so and so.