The Truth about Champ! Portis-Champ Trade Analysis.

Bailey is a great athlete, and a good corner. Someone rightly pointed out that Marv Lewis knew better than to respect his "shutdown cover corner" status and ended up testing CB pretty good. However, for Denver to claim that they came out on top of the Bailey-Portis trade, they have to better last year's performance (1st round playoffs), which they will not do for two reasons IMHO:

1. Shanahan is the biggest coaching sham in the league. What has he achieved with their admittedly excellent running game since Elway left?
2. No one will win the big game with Jake the Mistake as their QB. He's got to be the paragon of inconsistency at the QB position.

This defintley was a win-win for both teams. Denver got the slight edge cause of the 2nd round pick . . .
Ah, yes. I always forget about that damn second-round pick we gave up.

SkinsRock-I would agree with you..but if you take into account that 35 points of the 95 scored on us have been a result of our offense..not our defense..than the trade is definitely in our favor. Our defense has only allowed a total of 50some points all season..(going to have to look at actual stats for this).

Don't get me wrong..I like Champ..I just don't think he is the "Shut Down" Corner everyone is claiming him to be

True about the offense giving up points, but since I don't follow the Broncos, I don't know how many points their offense or ST have given up, if any. Most teams have at least 1 or 2 INT or kick return TD's against them by this point, but I didn't research each Denver game to find that out. I just went by the rating and points allowed totals.
So if you give the Skins the edge because of the offense giving up points, it still evens out at this point since Denver's RB's have more yards.....but remember that 7 of those points were from a Portis fumble. :doh:

I agree to an extent on Champ. He is one of the best corners in the league, but I don't believe there is such a thing as a "shut-down corner". Every corner gets burned, but the best ones keep it from happening as often as others. That said, it was kinda nice to see Champ have a bad night on the national stage last night, considering how the media tends to talk him up to be practically invincible.

corners are intentionally hobbled this year by the new rule don't forget, so Champ would be less effective this year no matter how good he is. but im glad Lewis threw at him so much. MOXIE!

However it stacks up, Denver is probably missing Portis a bit more today:

Broncos lose Griffen for the Year--ESPN.com (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=pasquarelli_len&id=1910039)

man you guys are leaving out some info.

if champ isnt the best corner who is? Mcallister is only a zone defence corner. C.woodson is always hurt and is struggleing this year. surtain isnt as good as champ. if champs not the best who is?

also, champ felldown on the TD play. but he also took points away with his INT.

now onto portis. portis lost a game for us. portis has played HORRIBLY in 3 games.


denver is 5:2. #2 ranked defence. champ has helped them tremendously.

man you guys are leaving out some info.

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denver is 5:2. #2 ranked defence. champ has helped them tremendously.

Hmmmm - NOW who is leaving out some info? Sure Denver has the number 2 Defense. Who is number one?????????????

Washington Redskins WITHOUT Bailey. The defense was terrible last year WITH him. Now, I am not saying we are better BECAUSE he left, but I am also not convinced that Denver's is better because he is THERE. NO WAY he is a "shut down" CB. I have seen most of Denver's games, and have seen Bailey make some very good plays, AND get beaten MANY times. He was beaten like a DRUM this week by Chad Johnson (just like the Giants used to eat him up every time out).

AND!!! The only shining moment for Bailey, the interception, was a BAD play by him. Watch the rerun (I still have it on TIVO). Chad is running a crossing pattern, and is between the QB and Bailey. BAILEY needed to be between him and the QB on a crossing pattern. That was a certain first down if Palmer throws a ball that Chad has ANY chance of catching. The only way Bailey could break it up would be to come THROUGH Chad. But Palmer led Chad so far, he could not even touch the ball with a forward dive. Bottom line, Bailey lucked out on a play where he was beaten.

One thing that has helped Bailey in Denver so far is that teams have been throwing away from him due to his reputation. Marvin Lewis knew better. Exptect to see more of the same. Against Cincy, Bailey reminded me a lot of his play throughout last season. It was WAY below the level he had set in previous years. He has been living on reputation.

This is what I hate about Skins fans. Once a player is no longer a Redskins he is no longer highly regarded. The same shit happened with Davis. Please people, be more rational. Put the fucking thinking hat on and take that asinine clown hat off.

so saden, which team do you root for? green bay?

Saden: Just remember what an ass Bailey was before he left. Snyder gave him a very reasonable contract and he wanted the worst D coordinator of all time to stick around. I'm glad he's gone just so we can have Greg!