SBXVII
12-29-2009, 03:54 PM
Agreed, but it's not like our O-line is just below average. They are absolutely god awful. Most of the time he doesn't even have time to plant his back foot. You mentioned in an earlier post (I think in the Smackdown thread) about Jason rushing throws and missing throws. It's kind of understandable that he would rush his progressions at times with the lack of protection he's had.
See, with Jason, the problem has been we're always switching systems, and when we decide to stick with a system, we provide him with an out and out joke of an O-line. We've set him up to fail repeatedly. I absolutely want to see what he can do in 2010 under Shanahan and a with a GM who will put a premium on finding him some protection.
and this is where I dissagree with all the pundits. JC, although not the starter had what 3-4 years under Gibbs? I know Al was brought in but it was essentally the same system. It would be like bringing in Holmgren's WCO for 4 yrs then switching to Gruden. People would not be saying "oh we are changing systems again". I mean look at what some of you guys have said...."Atleast if we bring in Shanahan we are staying in a similar system WCO".
then we brought in Zorn who did actually change the system. JC has had 2 yrs in that system. How long does it take for a QB to feel comfortable in any given system? 2yrs. 4yrs. more?
Zerohero
12-29-2009, 03:56 PM
Where is everyone getting this three years stuff from? 2010 is the year in question. Nothing beyond.
For all the "NO" people out there, who do you want that could be any better?
We already know we have a solid but unspectacular QB in Campbell. I think most people agree that with our receiving corps improving, if we give JC a decent line and running game he can be a lot better. What if we don't bring him back and use a high first rounder on a QB that ends up being a bust? Top QB draft choices are a huge roll of the dice. If we miss on one and let Campbell walk, it could set us back a lot more than three years.
What exactly is he solid at? Solid at not taking chances, at not throwing to receiver in stride, at reading a defense? He is pretty solid at intentional grounding.
Dirtbag59
12-29-2009, 03:57 PM
I'd rather get Bradford and draft 2 or 3 O-Line prospects from the second round onward. The best teams with quality lines either get them through free agency or draft and develop them from rounds 2-7. Shannahan can develop rookie QB's quickly and both Ryan and Flacco saw success during their rookie year.
Ironically the Falcons had a worse line then us but with the right QB, scheme, and coaching they were able to make the playoff run we saw last year. Obviously I'm not advocating ignoring the O-Line instead I'm insisting on looking for quantity as well as quality. Maybe 1 or 2 free agents along with 2 or 3 draft picks.
I feel like a broken record at this point but the fans in Atlanta in 2008 wanted the brass to select Glen Dorsey instead of Matt Ryan now the fans couldn't be happier with the selection.
However if Shannahan thinks that we need to draft a guy like Okung first and then trade up a little from our second round spot to get McCoy then more power to him. Both Bradford and McCoy seem to fit the mold in terms of making the rollouts Shannahan likes to use.
Paintrain
12-29-2009, 03:58 PM
I'm not necessarily saying that I want Campbell back for the next 3 years but I am saying that I want to see what he can do with a legitimate head coach, a legitimate offensive line and a proven system.
skinsfan69
12-29-2009, 04:00 PM
the offensive line's struggles are too often a crutch or an excuse for campbell's own struggles.
I struggle with this because i know it's not really campbell's fault where he was drafted. But you don't trade multiple picks to get into the first round to draft a qb that can play well if everything around him is running smoothly. You spend a 6th round pick on a qb out of washington state to do that.
mark rypien super bowl mvp!!!!!!!!
Nomad
12-29-2009, 04:01 PM
Yes.
I think he's a guy you can win games with given good protection and a running game.
That said, whatever the decision is from the new regime, I'll live with it.
I agree, is there a bigger warrior in the league, he takes his beaten's and keep coming plus he did say for 2010, means we can sign him to a two year contract, with 2nd year option, and build from their, next year it's go be playoffs or bust for us.......
Dirtbag59
12-29-2009, 04:09 PM
The offensive line's struggles are too often a crutch or an excuse for Campbell's own struggles.
I struggle with this because I know it's not really Campbell's fault where he was drafted. But you don't trade multiple picks to get into the first round to draft a QB that can play well if everything around him is running smoothly. You spend a 6th round pick on a QB out of Washington State to do that.
Are you implying that we should have spent a 6th round pick on Alex Brink?
WaldSkins
12-29-2009, 04:11 PM
yes, given an o-line , a real offensive coordinator and a little coaching i think we could win with campbell, go get vick atleast he knows how to run
With the seven offenses that Campbell has had I'm saying no. I don't want to be sitting here at the end of next season reading comments on here about how Campbell just's needs another year under Shannahan. JC could of been a good QB, but i think the redskins ruined him by there constant change of offensive playcalling and the inability to build a line. Let's start fresh with a QB that the new coach wants and not just stick with another Gibbs leftover.
SBXVII
12-29-2009, 04:11 PM
What exactly is he solid at? Solid at not taking chances, at not throwing to receiver in stride, at reading a defense? He is pretty solid at intentional grounding.
Pretty solid at over throwing the receiver or dirt balls. I got it. He's pretty solid at throwing the ball with all his strength no matter if its a 50 yrder or 5 yrder. and you forgot throwing behind his receivers. I think he has trouble inticipating where the WR will be and throwing to that point in order to hit them in stride. I guess that's the difference between good and great.... a QB that throws to where he's looking vs. throwing to where the receiver will be to catch the ball in stride.
SmootSmack
12-29-2009, 04:14 PM
mark rypien super bowl mvp!!!!!!!!
At least somebody got it :)