12thMan
12-29-2009, 02:39 PM
Not to derail this thread but for the NO folks out there, let's say you get your wish and he doesn't return. Who do you envision under center for the Redskins for the next 3 years and what is your confidence level that they will be better?
How much of this is the 80-20 rule meaning the most you will ever get is 80% of what you want from someone but many continue to chase that elusive 20% but never find it.
Well seeing that we are currently sitting at four wins with the quarterback of the future leading the team, I'll take my chances on a new face. Even if we brought in a rookie, I doubt this team could do worse than four wins.
Look at what Shanahan did for someone like Jake Plummer (http://www.nfl.com/players/jakeplummer/careerstats?id=PLU243945). He had his best years under him, I don't think it's too much of a stretch to think Shanahan could work wonders with JC, assuming he wants him as his QB.
irish
12-29-2009, 02:43 PM
Not to derail this thread but for the NO folks out there, let's say you get your wish and he doesn't return. Who do you envision under center for the Redskins for the next 3 years and what is your confidence level that they will be better?
How much of this is the 80-20 rule meaning the most you will ever get is 80% of what you want from someone but many continue to chase that elusive 20% but never find it.
I am 100% certain whoever they bring in can do as good as JC did this year. I am 85% confident that person will play better than JC this year.
SBXVII
12-29-2009, 02:44 PM
You took my damn caviat away from me so I had to vote no.
I guess I should have voted yes only cause I do think he's an ok QB. He would be one of the best damn backups out there. By saying yes I would not be saying he's the starter just on the team next year to allow Shanahan to hopefully decide who starts.
But I could see if we are looking to turn this inside out just starting completely over.
skinsfaninok
12-29-2009, 02:44 PM
Not to derail this thread but for the NO folks out there, let's say you get your wish and he doesn't return. Who do you envision under center for the Redskins for the next 3 years and what is your confidence level that they will be better?
How much of this is the 80-20 rule meaning the most you will ever get is 80% of what you want from someone but many continue to chase that elusive 20% but never find it.
3 Years? So you'r saying you want JC for 3 more yrs? Campbell has had multiple chances to prove his worth. I like him as a player, he's a gamer but we have had this guy for long enough.. His poor decisions and bad pocket awareness kills me, it's like he never see's a BLITZ coming. It's not only this year, it's all the time. He never completes passes deep down field, and his motion is terrible. I'm 85% sure he won't be here next season and to be honest I don't think he wants to stay .
GMScud
12-29-2009, 02:50 PM
The offensive line's struggles are too often a crutch or an excuse for Campbell's own struggles.
I struggle with this because I know it's not really Campbell's fault where he was drafted. But you don't trade multiple picks to get into the first round to draft a QB that can play well if everything around him is running smoothly. You spend a 6th round pick on a QB out of Washington State to do that.
Agreed, but it's not like our O-line is just below average. They are absolutely god awful. Most of the time he doesn't even have time to plant his back foot. You mentioned in an earlier post (I think in the Smackdown thread) about Jason rushing throws and missing throws. It's kind of understandable that he would rush his progressions at times with the lack of protection he's had.
See, with Jason, the problem has been we're always switching systems, and when we decide to stick with a system, we provide him with an out and out joke of an O-line. We've set him up to fail repeatedly. I absolutely want to see what he can do in 2010 under Shanahan and a with a GM who will put a premium on finding him some protection.
SmootSmack
12-29-2009, 02:54 PM
Last week they were god awful, but earlier in the year they were below-average to average and, to me at least, there were times that Campbell had more than enough time to make a play and didn't
GMScud
12-29-2009, 02:56 PM
To be clear, I'm not saying we should lock up Jason with a long-term deal. I just don't think there is anyone out there, rookie or FA, who can do any better for us in 2010.
CrazyCanuck
12-29-2009, 03:04 PM
No.
Ive been wavering back and forth all season on Campbell. Part of me thinks he can be decent with a good o-line and running game. But the fact is everything seems to move slower with JC. Too long in the pocket, too long in his progressions...
Put JC on a good team with a good o-line and he could probably be successful. But unfortunately that's not our team right now and I don't want to wait another 3 years to confirm that JC is average.
birdz4gibbs
12-29-2009, 03:06 PM
i would have to go with yes but it up to the new regime.
what matty said..110%.