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BigHairedAristocrat 12-31-2009, 02:19 PM I pretty much stopped reading right there. Quinn is awful at this point.
Cleavlelands O-line is awful... worse than ours even. The same excuses people want to make for Campbell after 5 years and 50+ starts could apply to Quinn at 3 years and about a dozen starts. Campbell wasn't much better than Quinn at the same point in his career and Campbell was benefitting from a much more talented coaching staff and surrounding cast of players at the time. Campbell's exhausted all his excuses. Quinn still has plenty of them. I don't think that Quinn is ever going to be a great QB, but he's got more of a chance to be a good one than Campbell does.
BigHairedAristocrat 12-31-2009, 02:21 PM Just read an article on ESPN.Com that said we are likely not bringing Campbell back (no shocker there). You have to be subscribed to it though to read it but it's right on point about the future of this organization.
I saw it and think its just speculation. ESPN also had an article entitled "Brennan to start in 2010?" or something like that. ESPNs subsciber content is a complete joke.
44Deezel 12-31-2009, 02:27 PM Simple yes or no.
No caveats. No "only as a backup" No "only get rid of him if we can get at least a 2nd rounder back" No "what are the cap implications"
None of that. Do you want Jason Campbell on the Redskins in 2010.
Yes or no?
I've come to the conclusion that my answer is no. I like Campbell and think he can be very good one day. But I want great, and I'm no longer convinced he can be.
I want him back, but also want the Skins to use their first pick on a QB. The number one ingredient to winning a super bowl is an elite QB - Manning, Warner, Brady, Elway, etc. Yes, you can win with the Dilfers, Elis and Big Bens of the world (although I think he's closer to the elite category), but they are more the exception than the rule. There are going to be some QBs in next year's draft that go onto greatness. I think we need to take a shot at getting one.
The O line can be fixed with other draft picks and via free agency. Trade Cooley for picks and grab a RB and Free Safety.
tryfuhl 12-31-2009, 02:37 PM Teams with shaky QB situations:
Raiders
Bills
Browns
Panthers
Bucs
Seahawks
Rams
If Zorn goes to Cleveland do you expect them to continue the Quinn project under his wing?
tryfuhl 12-31-2009, 02:44 PM I saw it and think its just speculation. ESPN also had an article entitled "Brennan to start in 2010?" or something like that. ESPNs subsciber content is a complete joke.
Agreed -- seems like it's mostly rumors and I don't have to pay for PFT and BleacherReport.
Lotus 12-31-2009, 02:51 PM Cleavlelands O-line is awful... worse than ours even. The same excuses people want to make for Campbell after 5 years and 50+ starts could apply to Quinn at 3 years and about a dozen starts. Campbell wasn't much better than Quinn at the same point in his career and Campbell was benefitting from a much more talented coaching staff and surrounding cast of players at the time. Campbell's exhausted all his excuses. Quinn still has plenty of them. I don't think that Quinn is ever going to be a great QB, but he's got more of a chance to be a good one than Campbell does.
Huh?
They have a Pro Bowler at left tackle with Joe Thomas. They have one of the most promising young centers in the league, Alex Mack. Steinbach makes a very capable guard. The right side of their line could be upgraded, that is true, but there is no way that Cleveland's OL is worse than ours. OL, in fact, is one of Cleveland's strengths. Their offensive problems derive much more from their skill positions, not from the OL.
Chico23231 12-31-2009, 02:52 PM Teams with shaky QB situations:
Raiders
Bills
Browns
Panthers
Bucs
Seahawks
Rams
I actually believe JC will be a pretty hot item and think St. Louis and Seattle will be the teams to take serious looks at him. Holmgren at Cleveland is the darkhorse...I think Zorn QB coach there and bringing along JC would make sense. Anderson is most likly going to be cut, Quinn and JC could make for an interesting battle at QB. I like Cleveland to draft Defense with their first pick and Clausen going to either the Rams or Seahawks...Bruce should tender JC and if he gets offered a second round pick, I couldnt see how he would turn it down. Even though I would like to see JC remain as we pick a young QB to develop in the draft, I have a feeling the "new adminstration (Shanny & Co.)" is gonna want to wash their hands of many, many players currently on the roster, JC probably being near the top of that list.
mlmdub130 12-31-2009, 03:01 PM I want him back, but also want the Skins to use their first pick on a QB. The number one ingredient to winning a super bowl is an elite QB - Manning, Warner, Brady, Elway, etc. Yes, you can win with the Dilfers, Elis and Big Bens of the world (although I think he's closer to the elite category), but they are more the exception than the rule. There are going to be some QBs in next year's draft that go onto greatness. I think we need to take a shot at getting one.
The O line can be fixed with other draft picks and via free agency. Trade Cooley for picks and grab a RB and Free Safety.
how do you know? there is nothing saying clausen won't be the same as quinn, and whats to say bradford's shoulder is done?
you can never tell who will be great. elway and manning were number one overall and panned out, for each manning and elway there are ten jamarcus russells, and warner was undrafted and brady was barely drafted in the 7th
BigHairedAristocrat 12-31-2009, 03:04 PM Cleveland-Worse than ours? Interesting since it features two first round picks in Thomas and Mack, and a free-agent they spent a lot of money on in Steinbach
Oakland-If he can't beat out Russell in a fair competition, he should just retire
Carolina-Moore is playing well, but that's not to say Campbell couldn't pretty easily start over him
Tampa Bay-Agreed. But...if they make a coaching change all bets are off
St. Louis-No guarantee they'll take a QB in the first round
Campbell isn't a bad quarterback. I'm one of those who wants us to move forward without him, but I'm not going to make the guy worse than he is just to feel better about my opinion.
Cleaveland - results speak for themselves.
Carolina - Moore's playing well, so why would they bring in someone else to start? Sure, they could bring him in to back Moore up and take over if he hits a wall or starts playing poorly, but I don't think Campbell would "easily" start over many QBs in the league. He could compete with guys like Moore, Freeman, Quinn, etc., but that doesn't mean he'd win. And I certainly think the guys with experience in the system would have the upper hand.
Oakland - I agree. What the heck is the matter with Russell anyways? What a moron.
St. Louis - nothing's garaunteed, but I think its a pretty safe bet. It'll be Suh or a QB for them, but thats a franchise that has absolutely no identity. They're probably the team in the league most desperate for a "franchise QB." The pressure will be high to draft one, although if theyre smart, they'll take Suh.
Tampa Bay - Pretty much all the teams we are discussing couuld making coaching staff changes, but I don't think that would necessarily give Campbell an advantage anywhere. There are two things about Campbell I think we should all remember: 1) Reportely, one of the main reasons Gregg Williams didn't get the job here is he wanted nothing to do with Campbell because he felt he was a "coach-killer." This is the same Gregg Williams who oversaw a defense that practiced against Campbell and observed him in great detail for 3 years. That's telling. 2) Josh McDaniels preferred Kyle Orton over Jason Campbell and thats why Cutler's not our quarterback now. Kyle Orton. Over Jason Campbell.
tryfuhl 12-31-2009, 03:04 PM Brady was actually drafted in the 6th, not that that was the point.
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