Do You Want Jason Campbell Back in 2010?

Great thread everyone!! We are so comitted to our skins haha.. I'm just tired of being mediocre or bad.. Jc isn't the answer and actually I'm shocked that more ppl want him back, I think most of u just feel bad for him this year.. Hey I admit he has been screwed with zorn and the whole offensive line, but this doesn't change the fact the he's not very good. I have watched every game he has started in his career and not once did I say ... This guy is our guy to lead us to greatness. Other than the two times he's played the saints I can't tell u when he surprised me in any game. He is so predictable and even Cris collinsworth said it best when he said "maybe this guy will be just average his whole career" this team can't afford to put any more time into a 28 year old QB that has never trully panned out. I hope he goes elswhere and has a solid end to his career, but his time here is almost certain to be over.

And while there's plenty of room for disagreement on the topic of this thread, factual falsehoods are unnecessary to back your point.No factual falsehoods. From the Jaws article for an example:

Jaworski cites two instances in the Raiders' game when Campbell received a call in the huddle -- a reverse -- that clearly was the wrong play for the defensive formation. In both instances, the Raiders' cornerback blitzed and stuffed the play.
"This is a mental error on Jason's part," Jaworski said. "You've got to get out of this play."


You'll find plenty of critiques of Campbell's play throughout my work, but neither you or I noticed anything about blitz recognition or pre-snap issues.

Everything you mentioned is along the lines of "Campbell left this throw on the table", "He flat out missed this throw", "Needed this third down conversion, Campbell low and behind". Granted.

You never really mentioned anything about pre-snap read or blitz recognition struggles, and this is because they aren't in anyway pronounced. It's a falsification of the evidence.

From my Eagles review: He also didn't read the blitzes properly, call correct protections, or go to a hot receiver to slow down the Iggles blitz.

From my Panthers review: Out of 23 pass attempts, 13 were quick passes to 1 receiver (no reads) or screens. 3 were play-action, of the other 7, 4 were the TE delay play. Zorn isn't putting Campbell in a position to drop-back or sit in the gun, read the D and make throws based on progressions/reads.

From the Bucs review: - Next series here's a breakdown of the bad INT which was targeted to Moss: Safety cheats up so JC should read either Cover 1 or Cover 3. Zorn has a motion in the play to help identify Man or Zone coverage. Based on the motion and the DBs reaction it looks to be Zone (and it was). On JC's drop he should be seeing Cover 3 with the way the DBs open out of their stance, Moss runs a go, Kelly runs a Go from the slot on the opposite side, ARE runs a Deep Out, Mason stays in to block and delays to the left flat, Cooley runs a Shallow Cross to hold the LBs. If JC wanted to hit Moss, again that throw has to be deep and outside. What he should've done was look the Safety off and come back to Kelly who had inside leverage on the CB covering deep. Let 12 make a play with his big frame and good hands. If JC didn't want to make the throw to Kelly he should've progressed across the field to ARE (covered) then to Mason on the check-down.

My biggest point: Campbell is neither the problem, nor the solution to the problem. I think I remember reading that in your Chiefs review as well, so if I stole it from you, I apologize.Part of the Eagles review (just above the Chiefs one :))

I'm not saying JC is the only problem we have, he's not. But he's not part of the solution either. He made a few good plays, but the mistakes he makes and limitations he has week in and week out are not tolerable. He will not be more than a back-up anywhere else.

I like JC, I wanted him to "get it" this year and be successful, even after the first couple of games I thought he'd be fine. But he hasn't. He's 28 and is far "behind the curve" in terms of improvement. If the Skins can come up with any sort of solution at QB in the draft, FA, or trade, it's time for both JC and the Skins to part ways, IMHO.

I guess I'm in the mood to stir it up today but would you be screaming bloody murder if we were considering bringing in Joe Flacco, Carson Palmer, David Garrard or Matt Ryan? Just asking cause they've been pretty much the same QB as JC this year.

They have similar stats but like I have said over and over, stats dont tell the story. All the QBs except DG have lead their teams into the playoffs, JC hasnt. Heck, Ryan & Flacco did it when they were rookies who should have been struggling in a new system (as JC supporters like to think is a given). I will take any of these 3 QBs and 2 will be a huge improvement and 1 will be at least as good.

Plato once said "A good decision is based on knowledge and not on numbers"-soak your feet in that for a minute

People do think that information & knowledge are one in the same.

IF Shanny is comes here this coming year who is our best option at quarterback under his system for next year?

JC, Bradford, Clausen, Colt (not Pineapple), or soon-to-be-cut vet?

I voted yes for a few reasons. 1) I don't think Jason Campbell is a bad qb. 2) I believe he can do well if he had a running game and some pass protection. 3) Even if we did have a rookie come in here I doubt he would do well with the OL we have right now. 4) He's the best qb option we have right now.

Start Collins next year, get rid of Campbell. Why is it Todd can come in rusty as hell and make better throws than 17?

I don't know if he should be back with redskins next season, but I definitely don't think he deserves any more chances.

If Campbell deserves a chance back, then so does Zorn. Zorn's had to work that same offensive line. I at least am consistent with this - Zorn and Campbell both do not deserve to come back. They've had their chances to show consistent improvement.

Start Collins next year, get rid of Campbell. Why is it Todd can come in rusty as hell and make better throws than 17?

Because he hasn't taken the 38 sacks Campbell has...Leave him in for a full season and it will be painfully obvious that Campbell is head and shoulders better than Collins

people have to realize that some of the sacks that jc takes are on him. sometimes he doesn't step up in the pocket, sometimes he holds the ball too long, doesn't see what the defense is doing to him fast enough. on a 3 step drop it's very simple, 1-2-3 and throw. And even on the quick short stuff he holds the ball. we've seen this over and over and over again. it's like the guy can't make any adjustments to his game. imo the first position that needs to be addressed is qb.