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Dirtbag59 12-28-2009, 01:53 PM You spelled 'should' wrong...and yes, the training staff needs an upgrade
Unpossible!
Why is it that over the last few years the Cowboys have remained healthy for the most part, while we are beset by injuries again and again?
Like I said before Witchcraft. Actually it's probably the gift that keeps givng, Vinny.
Chris Samuals - Spinal condition that was getting worse
Randy Thomas - Expecting anything less then injury was optimistic to say the least
Chris Cooley - Freak accident
Clinton Portis - We've seen this coming for a while now.
Jeremy Jarmon - Witchcraft
Ladell Betts - Witchcraft
Albert Haynesworth - We knew he was going to miss a few games before the season started.
sportscurmudgeon 12-28-2009, 02:08 PM Whenever the next coach of the Redskins shows up at the podium for his introductory news conference and whoever that new coach may be, there should be no one from this coaching staff who is retained.
That includes the training staff. That includes the offensive, defensive, special teams and quality control folks. There needs to be a 100% turnover in the staff to try to implement a new outlook for team preparation and team performance.
Next, that totally new staff needs to get rid of 50% of the players currently on the roster. Some of that 50% are overpaid divas who stand in the way of creating a "team"; others are simply not good enough. And the new coaching staff needs to make it clear to all of the players that conditioning and working out is not optional - - if the players harbor any hope of seeing the field on Sunday.
Dirtbag59 12-28-2009, 02:10 PM Next, that totally new staff needs to get rid of 50% of the players currently on the roster. Some of that 50% are overpaid divas who stand in the way of creating a "team"; others are simply not good enough. And the new coaching staff needs to make it clear to all of the players that conditioning and working out is not optional - - if the players harbor any hope of seeing the field on Sunday.
Players Union might have something to say about that but I see your point.
Lotus 12-28-2009, 02:10 PM It's probably witchcraft. Wouldn't be the first time it has been used in sports.
Ronaldo Cursed By Witch Doctor (http://soyoked.com/2009/10/ronaldo-cursed-by-witch-doctor/)
We should give that witch doctor a $100 mil. contract.
rbanerjee23 12-28-2009, 02:15 PM Unpossible!
Haha sorry dude, couldn't resist
sportscurmudgeon 12-28-2009, 02:22 PM Players Union might have something to say about that but I see your point.
When Casey Hampton - - Pro Bowl caliber player - - showed up over his assigned weight in the first training camp run by Mike Tomlin, Tomlin put him in a separate part of the training camp and did not allow Hampton to work out with the rest of the team until he cut his weight - - reportedly more than 30 pounds. THEN, he made Hampton do all the fitness tests that he would have done on day one of the camp - - run a mile in less than 8 minutes and stuff like that. THEN, he put Hampton through the fitness staff until the fitness staff said he was ready for play. AND ONLY THEN, did a Pro Bowl level player get to participate with his teammates.
Please note, Mike Tomlin's team won a Super Bowl soon after that.
Please note, the Player's Union had nothing to say about that.
Please note, the Steelers do not run a training camp that is informally known around the league as a "country club camp" - - the way the Redskins' training camp is known.
Let's look at the players on IR and see what types of injuries we've got:
Betts - knee (if I remember right he got rolled up on, not much you can do to prevent that)
Cooley - ankle (broken bone, again not much you can do to prevent that)
Portis - concussion (see above)
Samuels - neck (pre-existing condition)
Thomas - triceps tear (preventable?)
Brennan - hamstring
Horton - toe (ligament damage)
Rinehart - broken leg
Eddie Williams - broken leg
Jeremy Jarmon - knee
Honestly I'm not seeing many injuries here where you could say it's definitely a training issue.
Dirtbag59 12-28-2009, 02:26 PM When Casey Hampton - - Pro Bowl caliber player - - showed up over his assigned weight in the first training camp run by Mike Tomlin, Tomlin put him in a separate part of the training camp and did not allow Hampton to work out with the rest of the team until he cut his weight - - reportedly more than 30 pounds. THEN, he made Hampton do all the fitness tests that he would have done on day one of the camp - - run a mile in less than 8 minutes and stuff like that. THEN, he put Hampton through the fitness staff until the fitness staff said he was ready for play. AND ONLY THEN, did a Pro Bowl level player get to participate with his teammates.
Please note, Mike Tomlin's team won a Super Bowl soon after that.
Please note, the Player's Union had nothing to say about that.
Please note, the Steelers do not run a training camp that is informally known around the league as a "country club camp" - - the way the Redskins' training camp is known.
Good stuff. That was probably one of the differences between when Gibbs was here and when Zorn got the HC job. I always said that Gibbs didn't have the best talent to work with, part of that was his doing, but at the same time the one thing I never doubted was Gibbs ability to coach. Thats part of the reason Vinny looked good to Snyder when he was part of the three headed dragon. Now you take a coach like Gibbs out of the picture and give Vinny free reign to add mediocre talent and you have the 5th overall pick in the draft.
Dirtbag59 12-28-2009, 02:29 PM Let's look at the players on IR and see what types of injuries we've got:
Betts - knee (if I remember right he got rolled up on, not much you can do to prevent that)
Cooley - ankle (broken bone, again not much you can do to prevent that)
Portis - concussion (see above)
Samuels - neck (pre-existing condition)
Thomas - triceps tear (preventable?)
Brennan - hamstring
Horton - toe (ligament damage)
Rinehart - broken leg
Eddie Williams - broken leg
Jeremy Jarmon - knee
Honestly I'm not seeing many injuries here where you could say it's definitely a training issue.
Training staff should have at least forced milk down the throats of Williams and Rinehart. This is unacceptable, I say fire them. Actually it wouldn't really hurt to get a new group in there. At the very least it would get the players to pay attention to the advice they were given, even if these injuries weren't the fault of the training staff.
FRPLG 12-28-2009, 02:54 PM I always find this argument sorta funny. Somehow there is a magical "training staff" out there that has all the secrets to keeping physical freaks healthy over the course of a 16 game season in which opponents are essentially trying to run them over. People get hurt in football. It is a violent game. There's not much a training staff can do other than keep their players healthy in the "not gonna puke 4 times a game because they're 45 Lbs overweight" kind of way.
Anyways if we're looking for reasons why we've had so many injuries I'd look closer at talent levels. When guys aren't talented enough it means maybe they're out there busting their asses in a more haphazard way trying to gain an edge. Caution to the wind somewhat. You put people on the field who can't quite cut it and then they start subconsciously trying to negate those insufficiencies and I can imagine more players get hurt.
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