Franchise Quarterbacks

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tryfuhl
12-28-2009, 12:25 AM
We traded up two slots short in 2005. If we had moved one spot ahead of GB and taken Aaron Rodgers we would be set. Dude is a franchise QB no question.

Oh wait he might be dead right now behind the "Vinny Special" oline in DC.

JC is a tough SOB I will give him that.

Rodgers has taken double digit more sacks this year.

wilsowilso
12-28-2009, 12:31 AM
Rodgers has taken double digit more sacks this year.

I forgot. GB's line is terrible. They do have great wr weapons?

tryfuhl
12-28-2009, 12:53 AM
I forgot. GB's line is terrible. They do have great wr weapons?
Driver and Jones have a good chance of both being 1000 yard receivers this year. Finley is over 500yds, Jones over 400. They've got a pretty solid WR corps.

Nomad
12-28-2009, 02:32 AM
Going into the Cowboys game I figured I'd offer a little food for thought on how so-called "franchise" quarterbacks are acquired.

Here is a list of the top-10 NFL quarterbacks by rating currently:

Drew Brees - Round 2 (32)
Philip Rivers - Round 1 (4)
Brett Favre - Round 2 (33)
Aaron Rodgers - Round 1 (24)
Peyton Manning - Round 1 (1)
Ben Roethlisberger - Round 1 (11)
Matt Schaub - Round 3 (90)
Tony Romo - Undrafted
Eli Manning - Round 1 (1)
Tom Brady - Round 6 (199)

The consistency is that each quarterback on this list was either A) drafted by a franchise who had a strong track record of team building and B) was in most cases given time to learn the trade before playing.

My point here is that franchise quarterbacks aren't drafted; they are cultivated. To get from point-A to point-B, a team needs to bring a talented quarterback into a situation where they are given the opportunity to learn a system and surrounded with blue chip talent. Under these conditions, talented quarterbacks can become "franchise quarterbacks."

It is a myth to believe that a team that doesn't have a solid foundation of talent will be able to draft a talented quarterback and expect them to succeed.

In other words, bringing in a Sam Bradford without giving him time to develop and surrounding him with talent would simply be a waste of a draft pick.

There is really no reason why Campbell shouldn't be brought back for the next two years. Other than Campbell there is not one scenario I can imagine where the Redskins are going to have success at the position.

well he is on the list sorry, the benedryl im taking...... Big Ben, but I must say JC should be brought back

dmek25
12-28-2009, 07:45 AM
after last night you must be crazy. if i was running the show, over half of this team wouldn't be here next year

SolidSnake84
12-28-2009, 07:53 AM
I've said it before...I see hardly a player on this team who could really be considered a "Franchise" Player. We have some good solid players, but it's obvious that we have dire need at O-Line, Quarterback, and Runningback. I think Quinton is the man here, but he is gonna need help.

Blache needs to go as D-Coach. I can't stand that he doesn't like blitzing and feels that sacks are "overrated". What an idiot. He needs out of here..

irish
12-28-2009, 08:02 AM
I've said it before...I see hardly a player on this team who could really be considered a "Franchise" Player. We have some good solid players, but it's obvious that we have dire need at O-Line, Quarterback, and Runningback. I think Quinton is the man here, but he is gonna need help.

Blache needs to go as D-Coach. I can't stand that he doesn't like blitzing and feels that sacks are "overrated". What an idiot. He needs out of here..

Other than Orakpo, this team has no "must keep" players. You wont need to worry about Blache, he's going out with the rest of the coaching staff.

LandrySlice
12-28-2009, 08:08 AM
Yeah, Blache is outy! This has been a tough season to stomach, but a top 5 pick should be a worthy reward! PLEASE TAKE A TACKLE MR ALLEN!

sportscurmudgeon
12-28-2009, 03:39 PM
Donovan McNabb was taken with the #2 overall pick in the draft by the team that had THE WORST RECORD in the NFL the year before. The first pick went to the rejuvenated Cleveland Browns franchise that year; they took Tim Couch.


So, McNabb went to a team with a horrible foundation around him and with a rookie head coach who had never been a head coach at any level before that.


And I suspect that we can agree that McNabb has been sorta successful as a QB, no? So, it looks as if he succeeded in spite of all the things that "were against him" - - except for his physical and mental abilities which made him what he is.

FRPLG
12-28-2009, 04:02 PM
Donovan McNabb was taken with the #2 overall pick in the draft by the team that had THE WORST RECORD in the NFL the year before. The first pick went to the rejuvenated Cleveland Browns franchise that year; they took Tim Couch.


So, McNabb went to a team with a horrible foundation around him and with a rookie head coach who had never been a head coach at any level before that.


And I suspect that we can agree that McNabb has been sorta successful as a QB, no? So, it looks as if he succeeded in spite of all the things that "were against him" - - except for his physical and mental abilities which made him what he is.
I think it seems obvious though that McNabb and Manning are exceptions. There aren't a lot of examples of bad teams drafting a good QB and turning it around quickly. Obviously it is possible but it lightening ina bottle. The more reasonable way, and least risky, is to have a solid team in place around him.

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