Isn't Cornerback as Big a Need as OL?

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KLHJ2
12-23-2009, 05:26 PM
Tripp, I know that you watch the games more than once as do I. Even in the games that they get burned on double moves they make outstanding plays in the secondary in other parts of the game. Sometimes when you make big plays it also makes you vulnerable to big plays and I think that is the problem that everyone is having. To say that they have only played well in a couple of games goes beyond stretching the truth.

ChickenMonkey
12-23-2009, 05:27 PM
Cb is a big need as well probably 3rd or 4th on the list for this team

LT, RT,QB,FS,CB,,RB,OG, OLB...In that order only because running backs can be found in the later rounds

Longtimefan
12-23-2009, 05:34 PM
I'd put RB before DB. Portis, Betts, Cartwright, Mason, and Ganther could conceivably all be gone


No way this guy would ever be considered a featured back, but remember Anthony Alridge? Shanahan was the one that recomended to Cerrato he take a look at this guy and they spoke highly of him in Denver as though some there didn't want to see him leave.

GTripp0012
12-23-2009, 05:37 PM
Tripp, I know that you watch the games more than once as do I. Even in the games that they get burned on double moves they make outstanding plays in the secondary in other parts of the game. Sometimes when you make big plays it also makes you vulnerable to big plays and I think that is the problem that everyone is having. To say that they have only played well in a couple of games goes beyond stretching the truth.It's impossible to separate how much of the preparation for the game is Gray/Blache, and how much is just Rogers and Hall and Landry not being physical with the receivers. I'm not trying to do that.

I'm saying this group is a very reactive bunch. They never look like they have any idea what they are running. And it has an adverse effect on the outcome of plays. I'm not disagreeing with you that there's no talent here, or that they aren't underachieving to an extent.

But in Blache's defense (and Gray's), scheming for Rogers/Smoot and Hall runs into the same problem that the Raiders did when they were trying to scheme for Asomugha and Hall. Rogers may not be a great player, but he did have a great season in 2008, and a great half season in 2007. When Hall was getting absolutely smoked in Oakland, he was doing so because of man coverage scheme and reactive zones that were playing to the strengths of the Oakland secondary...because it allows Nnamdi to take away a side of the field. Hall was a fish out of water there. And, frankly, we were running the exact same scheme.

We're not running the same scheme at all this year. Everything we've done since the bye week has been cover two, cover three, quarters, quarter-half, stuff that makes Hall comfortable because he doesn't have underneath coverage responsibility. And we've taken our best defensive player in the secondary, and have completely marginalized him. We've taken Landry, and have exposed him to primary zone coverage responsiblities and restricted him. And worse of all, we've taken Smoot, and given him something to think about out there.

The film sees a complete disaster. I think there's more to it that that, but there needs to be some sort of tear down before we can rebuild. If Hall is going to be the centerpiece, then fine, get rid of everyone else. Get rid of Landry, of Rogers, of Moore, of McIntosh, of Fletcher and draft zone coverage players. We need a new scheme, and a new page, but there also has to be a talent shift.

tryfuhl
12-23-2009, 05:39 PM
No way this guy would ever be considered a featured back, but remember Anthony Alridge? Shanahan was the one that recomended to Cerrato he take a look at this guy and they spoke highly of him in Denver as though some there didn't want to see him leave.

I'd like to see him given another chance.. if Mason can get one Alridge should.

Longtimefan
12-23-2009, 05:52 PM
I'd like to see him given another chance.. if Mason can get one Alridge should.

That was my thought as well. I thought maybe since Shanahan is famaliar with him and he was here for a sandwich, maybe there can be a place for him. Even if dosen't get carries maybe he can contribute as a returner without fumbling.

warriorzpath
12-23-2009, 05:57 PM
I think the redskins defense, including the defensive backs, have played pretty good this year -- even though they just got destroyed by the giants.

I think everyone is overreacting just a little because the redskins were embarrassed on Monday night. The problem with the whole entire redskins defense , including the coaches, is that they don't adjust very well when things aren't going well -- so everything just snowballs and they keep making the same mistakes over and over. So they have played pretty good when they gameplan well, but when that plan doesn't work they don't have a plan B and the opposing offense can take advantage of those weaknesses the whole game. I guess you can say the same thing about the redskins offensive gameplanning and adjustments this season; the difference being -- the offense for the beginning of the season didn't really bring a good gameplan coming in.

Lotus
12-23-2009, 06:02 PM
Yeah, if he goes after LeGarrette Blount, I'll be worried.

You're speaking to the president of the "Shanahan can't draft" club. But even though he misses on a lot of picks, the running backs who PLAY always perform.

Mr. President, would you agree that he does better drafting offensive players rather than defensive players? I'm hardly defending his draft record here, just noticing that his record on the defensive side is especially lame. He drafted Al Wilson and...well, that's about it.

budw38
12-23-2009, 06:05 PM
I don't think he has. I'm just pointing out that he's a douchebag.

If he's a scheme fit, and he doesn't cost anything, then he can be a douchebag who scores 8 TDs for my team. But those are the kind of guys that you have to be right on, and SmootSmack was pointing out that Shanahan has brought these guys in, and then found out they couldn't play at a later time.
Blount would be interesting in rd 4 or 5 . GTripp , what do you think of , E. Williams , Rinehart , M. Williams as backups or being able to be capable starters in 2010 ? Not that I want ALL three to go into camp as our top prospects , just wanted your opinion based on what you have seen on film , thanks . Hail skins ... merry Christmas ... and beat them darn cowboys !!!!!!

KI Skins Fan
12-23-2009, 06:26 PM
No other need is nearly as great as the need for offensive linemen. Our OL is an unmitigated disaster area and there is no way we can compete for a playoff spot in 2010 unless it is addressed via Free Agency and the Draft during the offseason. Honestly, there isn't a single OL on our roster who I would miss if he were to be replaced.

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