The Worst of Vinny

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maroonandblack30
12-22-2009, 01:20 PM
1. Cutting/getting rid of Bmitch (might have been a Dan move)
2. Not resiging Ryan Clark and replacing him with Archuleta
3. Not Resigning Pierce
4. Trading at 3rd rounder for TJ Ducket
5. Trading 2 picks for Jason Taylor

GMScud
12-22-2009, 01:21 PM
The Jason Taylor trade was an awful panic move. I never wanted Malcolm Kelly, and I still could pretty much care less about him. I'd love to see him succeed, but I don't see it.

As good as Fred Davis has looked, I would say taking him instead of Desean Jackson. D-Jack was taken the very next pick, and the kid is out of his mind. He would have given us a lights out deep threat and solved our punt return issues in one foul swoop.

Really overall though, I've got say Vinny's inability to build an offensive line despite it being our by far our most glaring deficiency is his biggest failure.

SFREDSKIN
12-22-2009, 01:22 PM
How about what got him fired and what is our current main problem.

Not addressing the OL during his tenure here.

Paintrain
12-22-2009, 01:23 PM
1. Cutting/getting rid of Bmitch (might have been a Dan move)
2. Not resiging Ryan Clark and replacing him with Archuleta
3. Not Resigning Pierce
4. Trading at 3rd rounder for TJ Duckett
5. Trading 2 picks for Jason Taylor

3 of those were Gibbs moves and I think the Duckett deal was for a 2nd rounder.

Paintrain
12-22-2009, 01:25 PM
How about what got him fired and what is our current main problem.

Not addressing the OL during his tenure here.

Reading's not so much of a strength, huh?

In his 2 years as Executive Vice President, what do you think was Vinny's single worst player-roster move?

Try to be specific, not just "he didn't address the line"

warpaint
12-22-2009, 01:28 PM
How about the way cut Zorn leggs from under him and slowly took his duties away from him. Turning our team into a circus. Showing no faith in the QB and HC publicly.

Competing with ourselves in contract negotations with AH and D.Hall.

GMScud
12-22-2009, 01:28 PM
In his 2 years as Executive Vice President, what do you think was Vinny's single worst player-roster move?

Try to be specific, not just "he didn't address the line"

Was it trading a 2nd and a 6th for Jason Taylor?

Was it drafting Malcolm Kelly after we had just drafted Devin Thomas and Fred Davis?

Was it not re-signing Marcus Washington?

Was it drafting a punter?

I mean, that's relatively specific. Let's face it, that's a massive failure of Vinny's. I don't have a list of draftees he passed on or FA's he ignored, but all the flashy additions he's made without bolstering the O-line is like trying to strap a jet engine on a Pinto. It ain't gonna fly.

over the mountain
12-22-2009, 01:29 PM
overpaying for d hall. especially considering all the guaranteed money.

i think d hall's agent played vinny and got d hall top dollar by not accepting vinny's offers, waiting until FA began and used the interest of the patriots to scare vinny into caving in to d hall's contract demands.

with the d hall signing, i think vinny didnt hold his ground and got out maneuvered in negotiation tactics.

jamf
12-22-2009, 01:33 PM
Signing Haynesworth.
He is a brilliant talent but that contract could handcuff us for a very long time.


I changed my pick, I'm going with D.Hall. Too much money for him...

GMScud
12-22-2009, 01:35 PM
How about the way cut Zorn leggs from under him and slowly took his duties away from him. Turning our team into a circus. Showing no faith in the QB and HC publicly.

Competing with ourselves in contract negotations with AH and D.Hall.

That's a good point. Zorn was his guy. He vouched for him and sold the idea of him as a HC to Danny. Then mid-way through his second season, Vinny publicly castrates him. Apparently he screamed at Zorn after games on more than one occasion. Not to mention how he intentionally didn't say Zorn's name in his departing press conference.

The in-fighting within the organization had apparently become out of control. You know what Vinny, Zorn was your guy.

Another point to mention- I know the hiring process after Gibbs retired was as much Danny as it was Vinny, but that was a total debacle.

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