Report: Shanahan to DC done deal

Well race is what I was getting at. Would there be such a fuss about whether Snyder is adhering to the "spirit" of the Rooney Rule if Dungy was the one presumed to be our next head coach

Oh, I wasn't sure. Are you kidding me, hell NO. Dungy is bigger than the Rooney Rule anyway. You know. The Rooney Rule is in place for the no-name black candidates, not the successful black candidates. In that regard, I suppose, success supercedes race and color. But yeah, if we interviewed Dungy I don't think the Rooney Rule would enter most peoples minds. Dungy is a great coach period.

I think Tony would bring instant cred with ALL players.

Obvi, but since race came up I was pointing that out.

Oh, I wasn't sure. Are you kidding me, hell NO. Dungy is bigger than the Rooney Rule anyway. You know. The Rooney Rule is in place for the no-name black candidates, not the successful black candidates. In that regard, I suppose, success supercedes race and color. But yeah, if we interviewed Dungy I don't think the Rooney Rule would enter most peoples minds. Dungy is a great coach period.

So that doesn't seem fair then does it. Like you said it's in place for the no-names (guys like Jerry Gray), not the successful ones. So it's just kind of interesting I guess that such a fuss is being made about Gray interviewing with Shanahan the odds on favorite to get the job anyway. But if we were talking about Dungy then we wouldn't care if Gray was a token interview or if Snyder was making a mockery of the rule?

So that doesn't seem fair then does it. Like you said it's in place for the no-names (guys like Jerry Gray), not the successful ones. So it's just kind of interesting I guess that such a fuss is being made about Gray interviewing with Shanahan the odds on favorite to get the job anyway. But if we were talking about Dungy then we wouldn't care if Gray was a token interview or if Snyder was making a mockery of the rule?

Pretty much. The rule will be made a mockery of, unfortunately, because you have such a small pool of good coaching candidates to begin with. Whittle that same pool down to an even smaller pool of maybe qualified black coaches, and you open it up to criticism.

Truth is the Rooney Rule is created for that one guy who turns out to be Joe Gibbs before he becomes Joe Gibbs. The downside is there aren't that many Joe Gibbs out there, so you have to sift through all the Jerry Grays of the NFL to satisfy some bullshit token rule.

It's also worth noting that the NFL is the last of the three major professional sports to hire minorities in head positions. Taking that a step further, the Washington Redskins were the last NFL franchise to hire a black player. In fact, George Preston Marshall openly talked about his distaste for black athletes until he brought Bobby Mitchell to D.C. of course.

So the Rooney Rule has direct links to then Redskins owner George P. Marshall openly protesting against having black players on his roster. Rooney, in opposition then and now, saw it fit to institute a rule to level the playing field so to speak.

Just wanted to bump this to see what people thought

Isn't quoting yourself some kind of violation of message board etiquette? :oink:

If it were Dungy rumored to be coming, I don't think there would be much of a big deal at all. Honestly, I don't know why it's a big deal now. Everyone knows that Z is gone so who cares that Snyder is already interviewing people. If you're getting divorced but the court date hasn't arrived, is it cheating to take someone out to dinner?

Isn't quoting yourself some kind of violation of message board etiquette? :oink:

If it were Dungy rumored to be coming, I don't think there would be much of a big deal at all. Honestly, I don't know why it's a big deal now. Everyone knows that Z is gone so who cares that Snyder is already interviewing people. If you're getting divorced but the court date hasn't arrived, is it cheating to take someone out to dinner?

Shouldn't this be in the Tiger Woods thread?

Isn't quoting yourself some kind of violation of message board etiquette? :oink:

If it were Dungy rumored to be coming, I don't think there would be much of a big deal at all. Honestly, I don't know why it's a big deal now. Everyone knows that Z is gone so who cares that Snyder is already interviewing people. If you're getting divorced but the court date hasn't arrived, is it cheating to take someone out to dinner?

Nice analogy :)

Isn't quoting yourself some kind of violation of message board etiquette? :oink:

If it were Dungy rumored to be coming, I don't think there would be much of a big deal at all. Honestly, I don't know why it's a big deal now. Everyone knows that Z is gone so who cares that Snyder is already interviewing people. If you're getting divorced but the court date hasn't arrived, is it cheating to take someone out to dinner?

god are team is such a fucking joke :)

I had a nice paragraph going defending african americans and this BS rule, but I was sure someone would misread it.

On a side note though I get sick and tired of everything being about race. The Skins did a BS interview and everyone is all upset but had they had an african american HC in waiting like Shanahan... it's ok cause the Skins "actually" fulfilled the Rooney Rule then.

A lot of you wanted Gray to be the next HC, so it tells me he was a qualified candidate. Was it fair to Zorn that someone on his coaching staff got interviewed? No. Was it fair for Gray to be considered for the job while working for someone else who is still on the team? No. What we don't know is what is going on behind the scene's. Has Zorn already been told he's not being retained? Was he approached about the team interviewing Gray? Most coach's would not go behind a coach who is above them and interview for their job. Most coach's would say take me out of the interview process. I'd like to think that if Gray actually was a part of a full interview then Zorn gave his blessing knowing he was not gunna be here and why hinder someone else from moving up in the coaching ranks.

But no matter how it went down DS tried to get Shanahan back in 2003 or something like that. Plus they are good friends and have talked on a regular basis since then. In other words they are friends. They like each other. They get a long. Which means even some white candidates who are qualified are not getting a chance to be interviewed cause DS basically turned to a qualified friend and asked if he would take over. He was most likely told not till the end of the season. The Skins interview process was simply to fulfill a rule so they don't get into trouble.