rbanerjee23
12-19-2009, 02:38 PM
Great, another 2 years before we get a contender
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rbanerjee23 12-19-2009, 02:38 PM Great, another 2 years before we get a contender skinsfaninok 12-19-2009, 02:39 PM I agree. I think Zorn should get another year with a working offensive line and david and cooley in at the same time. BUT, if Shanahan is willing to come on now then a proven coach is always better than an unproven one. However, as Zorn has proven to be a true man working through a very hard situation - I would suggest that Zorn stay on as offensive coordinator/QB coach with shanahan as head coach and play caller. I think Zorn is a proven QB coach and ready for the step as offensive coordinator - which is a promotion. Zorn only got the job because the real coaches available refused to work with Vinny. Keeping Zorn and Campell and the Z-man West coast in place and having Shanahan come in and add his wrinkles would be a good move. My question is - one: can Shanahan win without Elway and 2: all those 4th quarter comebacks - you know the air is thinner in mile high so teams not accustomed to the low oxygen got tired faster. Shanahan won't have that in DC. I also wonder what happens to portis? he has a history with Shanahan... Honestly You can't take those 2 SB's away from Shanny just bcuz Elway.. He built a great team around Elway.. Remember John never won a SB until Shanahan was there.. As far as CP... He would be gone regardless, I doubt he wants to play in DC anymore.. I will be very interested in JC, If I were a betting man I would say Shanny will bring in another QB, Via the Draft. If so we still need a veteran QB and I think JC is Solid.. Also if I remember right, he had some teams that ran a 3-4 Defense... Alot of questions to be answered. skinsfaninok 12-19-2009, 02:41 PM Great, another 2 years before we get a contender Maybe but not necessarily true, look at when Wade took over Dallas, or when Turner took over SD.. CrackBack 12-19-2009, 02:42 PM Those of you that think that Zorn should stay or will be a good coach elsewhere are morons. Do any of you remember what the offense was like when he was calling plays? And I don't understand at all why anyone would not want Shanahan. Who do you want then? Snyder finally makes some smart decisions and people still bitch? I think you all are just looking for something to be pissed about. I like Zorn and feel bad for how his situation has been handled, but he will never be a good head coach and probably will never get the opportunity again after the shitfest in DC. mooby 12-19-2009, 03:01 PM Honestly even though I don't entirely think this could happen, it's still interesting. What if Shanny keeps Portis next year knowing the history those two had for the first two seasons of Portis' career? Any chance Shanny decides to keep Portis, get a nice backup RB, and then focus on other areas? 44 70 chip 12-19-2009, 03:04 PM He may very well come here and pull a Jon Gruden Pull a Gruden? You mean like win a superbowl? Have lots of winning seasons? Have a winning career W/L record? Win with a team that was Cap strangled for a terrible ownership group? Still manage for many years to be considered a top playoff contender, that no one wanted to face (least of all the Redskins)? Get fired after a 9-7 season full of close losses? Watch his ex-team under a new coach/GM one season later be a bottom feeder wrestling in the muck with the Rams for the first pick in the draft? 9-7 (they could have been 12-4 pretty easy) to 1-12... I submit that you and I will be doing backflips if the next Skins coach "pulls a Gruden" SmootSmack 12-19-2009, 03:04 PM Those of you that think that Zorn should stay or will be a good coach elsewhere are morons. Do any of you remember what the offense was like when he was calling plays? And I don't understand at all why anyone would not want Shanahan. Who do you want then? Snyder finally makes some smart decisions and people still bitch? I think you all are just looking for something to be pissed about. I like Zorn and feel bad for how his situation has been handled, but he will never be a good head coach and probably will never get the opportunity again after the shitfest in DC. There's no reason to think Zorn can't ever be a good coach, just because he's not having success here SmootSmack 12-19-2009, 03:06 PM It's total and absolute disrespect, and not just by Snyder, there are others involved. I give Zorn credit for being a real stand-up guy, if he weren't maybe he would do just what you said. I remember Shanahan was in a similar, but not identical, situation back in the mid-1990s when the Niners were trying to move Seifert out and name Shanahan the head coach. Even though the Niners were on their way to the SB. Difference is Shanahan was on the staff at the time 44 70 chip 12-19-2009, 03:07 PM Who do you think traded him to us? Trade.... thats a mild way to put it... more like Bent Cerrato over with a sand-paper jimmy hat. Longtimefan 12-19-2009, 03:08 PM Just like I heard people saying JGibbs1 started out bad, and the owner stayed with him and he won a few SB's for us. I loved the comparison when I heard it cause in reality there's no comparison. ....JGibbs1 went 0-5 re-evaluated his scheme and changed it to work with the players he had. That's the mark of a great HC. He ended 8-8. The following year he had a better season he didn't get worse. Zorn went 6-2 and then went 2-6 to end up 8-8. He got worse the second half of the year. Most likely due to injuries. If so one would think come this season with everyone healthy he starts out great but we didn't. He got worse. It took Sherm Lewis to come in and fix what Zorn could not over a 16 game span. I took Sherm Lewis 3 games to get the Skins scoring over 30 points. If Zorn stays he needs to go back to what he does best....coach QB's. Will he take a demotion? I'm betting not. I would love for him to stay, take the demotion, and keep his pay he has now since we will be paying him anyway unless he resigns. Speaking of because he is still under contract for one more year could DS tell Zorn he is demoting him to QB coach? I would imagine Zorn would say no way and resign but if he didn't we would have a good QB coach. I personally think Holmgren is going to take the Browns job and probably take Zorn with him in some type of capacity to help train him for he future. Just my personal feeling. There were not many who found a great deal of fault in Zorn when his record was 6-2. You stay in or fall out of favor through your won and loss record. I agree with skinsfan69, you win with palyers not coaches. It too easy to lay the blame for losing on one person, if it were that simple it would be oh so easy to fix. |
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