BREAKING NEWS: Cerrato resigns (Bruce Allen hired as VP/GM) - merged


Dirtbag59
12-17-2009, 03:27 PM
Well said, very well said.

And anyone that thinks any GM is going to act independently of what the entire organization wants or without heavy input from the coach and owner is kidding themselves, seriously kidding themselves. You think Tony Dungy and Jim Irsay, in spite of Bill Polian, didn't have major input on roster moves? You think Bill Belichick and Robert Kraft, in spite of Scott Pioli, didn't have major input on roster moves? That doesn't make Polian and Pioli "yes men"

We need a "No" man. "Excuse me, Mr. GM, Peyton Manning just became a free agent, should I contact him. "NO". But what about "NO". Seriously I need to "NO". Hey guys whats up "NO".

SmootSmack
12-17-2009, 03:28 PM
Where are Spence and Skinny Tee? Thoughts on Snyder's move?

freddyg12
12-17-2009, 03:29 PM
One possibility/prediction:

Zorn stays a year because they can't get Gruden out of his deal w/espn w/out paying big $. In addition, they would have to pay Zorn to fire him too.

So, Zorn gets a year but then they negotiate w/Gruden to coach in 2011 when it's easier to get him out of his espn deal.

FRPLG
12-17-2009, 03:30 PM
Certainly you can argue that there are better choices than Allen out there, bu for the five plus years I've been part of this board the two most common sentences I've seen written here are "We need a GM" and "We need to get rid of Vinny"

Well in one morning, we did both....and we still complainWish we could end the thread on this note.

I second that.

Lotus
12-17-2009, 03:31 PM
We have a real GM! We can debate about whether or not Allen was the best choice (he seems like a solid choice to me), but simply having changed the structure of the FO makes us better.

I hope that we look back on today as one of the brightest in Redskins history.

KLHJ2
12-17-2009, 03:31 PM
Just because I want Zorn to stay doesn't mean that I am naive enough to believe that he is going to stay.

tryfuhl
12-17-2009, 03:31 PM
What about his record in Oakland? You are conveniently not mentioning that in your posts.
Oh you mean the 3 divisional titles titles which is more than the 2 mentioned? The SB appearance in 2002? The hell of a performance against NE decided upon by calling Brady's fumble a non-fumble?

T.O.Killa
12-17-2009, 03:32 PM
Here is a list of players that Bruce Allen drafted in the time he was with Tampa Bay:
2004 Michael Clayton, Will Allen, 2 PLAYERS FOR 8 PICKS., 2005 Carnell Williams, Alex Smith(with Philadelphia),and Barrett Ruud. 3 out of twelve. 2006 Maurice Stovall, Jeremy Trueblood, Davin Joseph, Bruce Gradkowski(Oakland Raiders), 4 Out of 10. 2007 Gaines Adams(Traded to Chicago), Quincy Black, Greg Peterson, Sabby Piscitelli, Adam Hayward, Tanard Jackson. 2008 Geno Hayes, Aqib Talib, Dre Moore, Jeremy Zuttah, and Josh Johnson.

tryfuhl
12-17-2009, 03:33 PM
Allen didn't make the decisions in Tampa. Gruden did. Allen was just a yes man with a GM title. And his record was under .500.

A "real GM" would be what we - the fans - have been screaming for for years - a guy who would run the football operation and not just be Snyder's yes man. Don't beleive the BS from the press conference. Snyder and/or our new HC will be pulling all the strings. Allen is just a figurehead with connections to the team that Snyder's using to pacify the fanbase.
Well until we know who our coach and other FO positions we're looking at you can't really say that it will be an issue. Perhaps he'll be a "yes man" to a guy that's a hell of a personnel director? Didn't we have a problem with our scouts and personnel people being overridden by Snyderrato?

tryfuhl
12-17-2009, 03:34 PM
Well let's remember that he did field some very good teams in Oakland when he was there and won NFL executive of the year in 02. Would he have been my first choice? No. But let's give the guy a chance. And let's remember that every GM misses on draft picks.
Yep.. and who's to even say that we could've landed our top pick? The guy after that, maybe even the next, etc?

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