BREAKING NEWS: Cerrato resigns (Bruce Allen hired as VP/GM) - merged

What qualifies as not done jack though? Just cause he didnt win a Super Bowl without ELway?

Come on man...that is a weak argument. There have been plenty of great coaches that haven't won a SB, and Shanahan won 2. So does that mean Belichick is not special cause he never won a SB without Brady? How about Dungy without Manning? Or Holmgren without Favre? We are spoiled in that Gibbs won with 3 different QB's, that is an anomoly!

This is his record since Elway Left
99- 6-10
00 - 11-5
01- 8-8
02- 9-7
03- 10-6
04- 10-6
05 -13-3
06- 9-7
08- 8-8

What you fail to point out is that everyone considered Dan Reeves a great coach, yet Shanahan did something with the Broncos he never could. Also, Elway's years with Shanahan were the most productive of his career:
95- 86.4 rating (5th best of career)
96- 89.2 rating (3rd best of career)
97- 87.5 rating (4th best of career)
98- 93.0 rating (best of career)
So in 16 years, 4 of the best 5 of his career happened to occur during Shanahan's time. You don't think that's a sign of something?

Now... I'm more in favor of Gruden as well vs Shannahan... and Shannahan outside of a Conference Title Appaerance in 2005 didnt do much in the playoffs, an the AFC West has traditionally been much weaker then the NFC East.. but I'd certainley take this over what the REdskins had the last 10 years, thats for sure. I certainly dont think he did a bad job at all since Elway left.

Thats 6 winning seasons, 2 .55 seasons and a losing season...

All AFTER Elway.[/QUOTE]

Shanahan with elway 47-17 .734%. (including going 4-1 without Elway in that span, and 4-0 in 98 without Elway and won the SB that year)
Elway without Shanahan 105-66-1 .613%.

Clearly, Shanahan was the reason Elway overcame his humps.

The argument could easily be made that Shanahan made Elway, not the other way around. I doubt it's a coincidence that Shanahan got Elway 2 SB rings, when Elway had those great teams of the past and couldn't do it.

I agree that our FO needed a makeover, but Im just trying to say that this makeover sucks. We should have gotten somebody signifacantly more qualified, somebody that didnt turn his recent superbowl champions into THE WORST team in football.

How can you say that without seeing the results?

I agree that our FO needed a makeover, but Im just trying to say that this makeover sucks. We should have gotten somebody signifacantly more qualified, somebody that didnt turn his recent superbowl champions into THE WORST team in football.

I thought that title belonged to the Skins from week 9 last year to week 8 this year.

Seriously, the makeover is not even close to done, I would recommend patience and see what else happens. Bruce Allen may not be your top guy, but he atleast is recognized as a top candidate in many places, and is not a crony of Snyder, so let's see how it all plays out.

Come on man...that is a weak argument. There have been plenty of great coaches that haven't won a SB, and Shanahan won 2. So does that mean Belichick is not special cause he never won a SB without Brady? How about Dungy without Manning? Or Holmgren without Favre? We are spoiled in that Gibbs won with 3 different QB's, that is an anomoly!



What you fail to point out is that everyone considered Dan Reeves a great coach, yet Shanahan did something with the Broncos he never could. Also, Elway's years with Shanahan were the most productive of his career:
95- 86.4 rating (5th best of career)
96- 89.2 rating (3rd best of career)
97- 87.5 rating (4th best of career)
98- 93.0 rating (best of career)
So in 16 years, 4 of the best 5 of his career happened to occur during Shanahan's time. You don't think that's a sign of something?

Now... I'm more in favor of Gruden as well vs Shannahan... and Shannahan outside of a Conference Title Appaerance in 2005 didnt do much in the playoffs, an the AFC West has traditionally been much weaker then the NFC East.. but I'd certainley take this over what the REdskins had the last 10 years, thats for sure. I certainly dont think he did a bad job at all since Elway left.

Thats 6 winning seasons, 2 .55 seasons and a losing season...

All AFTER Elway.

Shanahan with elway 47-17 .734%. (including going 4-1 without Elway in that span, and 4-0 in 98 without Elway and won the SB that year)
Elway without Shanahan 105-66-1 .613%.

Clearly, Shanahan was the reason Elway overcame his humps.

The argument could easily be made that Shanahan made Elway, not the other way around. I doubt it's a coincidence that Shanahan got Elway 2 SB rings, when Elway had those great teams of the past and couldn't do it.[/QUOTE]

HAHA, maybe I just didnt say it right, but thats what I was trying to say!!

Gruden vs Shanahan? Easy...Shanahan!

Ok, All i meant is in your showing the w/l record, i didn't see 2007, and i wondered what that was. But I agree 100%. Gibbs only won 3 SB, but what mattered is every year, almost, the Redskins were relevant and feared. I would like to get back to that.

Yeah, I caught that... my bad.

One thing to mention about that -- the Glazer family had previously extended the contract of both Gruden and Bruce Allen before ultimately changing their mind after the '08 season. The Bucs did start out 9-3 before a late season slide.

It might have been a bit of a snap decision on the Glazer's part, and one that cost them quite a bit of money.

Allen's draft record with Tampa Bay did have some mixed results, but look at the drafts of Oakland too. Nnamdi Asomugha, Justin Fargas, and Sebastian Janikowski are notable picks by him.

I don't think there was a general manager candidate out there without some misses on their draft record. The guy with a perfect track record doesn't exist. Aside from Bill Polian, who as far as I know is not available, Allen had to be one of the top options who was currently unemployed.

Yeah every GM has misses, but was Allen the best available guy? I don't think he was. When the news broke I thought Casserly was gonna be back in but he's getting old and he seems to like appearing on CSN. This move should've been made last year and we might've gotten Pioli from NE, but I think anything is better than Vinny so I'm cautiously optimistic.

How long till we sign Jeff Garcia?

Yeah, I caught that... my bad.

funny thing is right after I posted mine, I saw your edit. Made me laugh :)

I think Allen is qualified to be a GM. We're getting a guy that really knows football. That's something that this organization hasn't had in a long time.