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CRedskinsRule 12-17-2009, 01:07 PM Nnamdi Asomugha was a Bruce Allen pick for the Raiders.
Imagine a draft that includes several quality OL, and a quality corner/safety. It's easy if you try.
saden1 12-17-2009, 01:07 PM We have finally rid ourselves of The Weasel. It's a glorious day in Redskins history. I shall celebrate with a 40 later today.
Gmanc711 12-17-2009, 01:08 PM GMANC71 what about 2007 for Shanahan?
Hey, like I said, I am in favor of Gruden. I'm no big Mike Shannahan fan or anything, but I just dont see where this whole Elway was the only reason he was any good idea came from. Did he win a Super Bowl with anyone else? No, he didnt. Did Holmegren win a Super Bowl without Favre? Did Walsh win one without Montana? Lombardi without Bart Starr? (We can go on and on) I mean I am just saying he's a good coach. John Elway didn't make Mike Shannahan.
And what about 2007 for Shannahan?
Ok, what about 93,94,95,96,97,98, 01,02,03,04,06 and 2009 for the Redskins? I'll take what Mike Shannahan did without John Elway over our record the last 15 years anyday.
All I'm saying is he's a good football coach. Did Elway help, absolutley. Does Shannahan win a Super Bowl without Elway, maybe not... but he still coached a Broncos team year in and year out that was in the thick of the playoff race or in the playoffs.
I want to win a Super Bowl yes, thats all I really want and waht the goal should be..but we have to have a good regular season to have the right to play in January and that guy did it consistantly. Theres no arguing that.
EDIT: I'm an idiot, I didnt see I left 2007 off, I thought that was the losing season you were reffering to... he was 7-9 that year so thats two losing seasons in 9 years... I still stand by my points, though.
hooskins 12-17-2009, 01:09 PM Classy saden1.
CRedskinsRule 12-17-2009, 01:10 PM I hope this is a joke. Vinny might have been a bad gm, but he def has a better drafting record than allan. He COMPLETELY blew both his top 5 picks in cadallac williams and gaines adams. He missed on michael clayton and didnt exactly hit a homerun with either davin joseph or aquib talib. Out of his 5 years as gm, he only drafted 5 starters. That is pathetic. From the years of 2004-2008 vinny drafted more starters and more people who are still on the team. And vinny sucks. Because of Allan's shitty drafting over the years the bucs are THE WORST team in the league as of right now. This seems to be a dumbass publicity stunt to please the fans with a connection to redskins roots. We just traded a bucket of spit for a bucket of poop.
I go back to the SJ article. This move is as much about rebuilding a FO with integrity. Yes there are other pieces that need to come into play, like Smoot suggested, but VC had to go mainly to get rid of the backbiting, selfish, culture that had popped up in Ashburn.
hooskins 12-17-2009, 01:10 PM Let's reminisce the good times with Vinny.
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/vinnyninja.jpg
Beemnseven 12-17-2009, 01:11 PM I agree Synder made the right move but is it the right guy for GM? He was fired by the Bucs who're worse than us. The guy had a chance to draft a decent player at 15 in '04 but took Michael Clayton. He did get that CB from Kansas, but none of his top picks went to the pro bowl or have made an impact, i.e (Gaines Adams). I' m glad we got rid of Vinny, but did we jump the gun to quick to get Allen?
One thing to mention about that -- the Glazer family had previously extended the contract of both Gruden and Bruce Allen before ultimately changing their mind after the '08 season. The Bucs did start out 9-3 before a late season slide.
It might have been a bit of a snap decision on the Glazer's part, and one that cost them quite a bit of money.
Allen's draft record with Tampa Bay did have some mixed results, but look at the drafts of Oakland too. Nnamdi Asomugha, Justin Fargas, and Sebastian Janikowski are notable picks by him.
I don't think there was a general manager candidate out there without some misses on their draft record. The guy with a perfect track record doesn't exist. Aside from Bill Polian, who as far as I know is not available, Allen had to be one of the top options who was currently unemployed.
CRedskinsRule 12-17-2009, 01:12 PM Hey, like I said, I am in favor of Gruden. I'm no big Mike Shannahan fan or anything, but I just dont see where this whole Elway was the only reason he was any good idea came from. Did he win a Super Bowl with anyone else? No, he didnt. Did Holmegren win a Super Bowl without Favre? Did Walsh win one without Montana? Lombardi without Bart Starr? (We can go on and on) I mean I am just saying he's a good coach. John Elway didn't make Mike Shannahan.
And what about 2007 for Shannahan?
Ok, what about 93,94,95,96,97,98, 01,02,03,04,06 and 2009 for the Redskins? I'll take what Mike Shannahan did without John Elway over our record the last 15 years anyday.
All I'm saying is he's a good football coach. Did Elway help, absolutley. Does Shannahan win a Super Bowl without Elway, maybe not... but he still coached a Broncos team year in and year out that was in the thick of the playoff race or in the playoffs.
I want to win a Super Bowl yes, thats all I really want and waht the goal should be..but we have to have a good regular season to have the right to play in January and that guy did it consistantly. Theres no arguing that.
Ok, All i meant is in your showing the w/l record, i didn't see 2007, and i wondered what that was. But I agree 100%. Gibbs only won 3 SB, but what mattered is every year, almost, the Redskins were relevant and feared. I would like to get back to that.
BigHairedAristocrat 12-17-2009, 01:13 PM According to PFT, the Skins have their sights on Shanahan. Florio's sources indicate this has been the plan all along and that Snyder wants Shanahan to run the show here and that firing Cerrato was the first step to make that happen.
If true, more than anything else, this means that Allen is really just Cerrato 2.0. Shanahan will have total control. Snyder will still be involved in things to some degree. Allen is just Snyder's newest puppet.
skinster 12-17-2009, 01:14 PM I go back to the SJ article. This move is as much about rebuilding a FO with integrity. Yes there are other pieces that need to come into play, like Smoot suggested, but VC had to go mainly to get rid of the backbiting, selfish, culture that had popped up in Ashburn.
I agree that our FO needed a makeover, but Im just trying to say that this makeover sucks. We should have gotten somebody signifacantly more qualified, somebody that didnt turn his recent superbowl champions into THE WORST team in football.
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