Jurgensen thinks Campbell will be back

He would be perfect!

I think he will always be someone who is in Snyder's ear because they're good friends. But I don't know that he would be employed under Snyder

I don't know where the interview is, but Zorn said that they had been wanting to get FD involved but he wasn't showing enough, but once Cooley went down and he was forced in, FD stepped up. But the way Zorn said it made it sound like it was FDs fault. I am saying by looking at the repeated decision by Zorn to hold off on putting a young player in, FD knew he wasn't going to get the chance regardless. Look, Cooley and JC had a great timing, so back off their practice a little and put FD in to force him to prepare. That's a coach's job, maybe not the HC, but again, if the coaches and players know that the younger guys aren't getting in even if a player takes all the practices off, then why are they going to try to get in. It was the atmosphere Zorn thrived in, where the senior class was gonna get everything, and the freshman had to wait, regardless of how they practiced.

and also just realized this is way :offtopic: sorry guys.

I understand what you're saying C but Davis was given chances. He also got a lot of practice, hence all the stories about how good he was. A healthy Cooley was not going to be benched for someone who, at the time, couldn't hold on to the ball. DT was given chances too but couldn't even run the correct route. Part of the reason DT said he's playing better is because he wanted his starting position back after it was given to Kelly. I've said before that players would step up more if given the responsibility, but if they don't, sometimes you need to sit them back down until they realize the jobs not theirs until they're willing to put the work in. I still think alot of it is just mental, and as Zorn has said, it would take a while to catch on. There's a lot of precision and detail in this offense and they just weren't getting it before. Now they are and it's starting to look pretty good. And to stay on topic, JC is getting it too and being benched probably helped him out.

I think he will always be someone who is in Snyder's ear because they're good friends. But I don't know that he would be employed under Snyder

Is that because he won't work for Snyder or because Snyder wouldn't hire him?

I'm pretty sure he'd give you the answer you gave yourself. He's been an owner for the past 10 years, spending each and every day involved in football operations. He'd say he understands the NFL and how it works and he has a vision on how to build a winner. Like it or not, he's got a decade of experience with players, coaches, front office, the salary cap, league personnel, etc. He has 'credentials' on paper. Now the reality is that the results have been mediocre. 2 playoff appearances, 1 playoff win is not getting it done. He will admit he's made mistakes and strongly state his desire to win (which I believe) but will also remain committed to doing it his way.

At the end of the conversation you'd probably wish you hadn't had it because you'd be more frustrated than you were before!

I'm convinced you're right, and what you mention is probably why he's adopted the slogan of "if it ain't broke don't fix it." His philosophy has been steadfast even before he gained the experience he has over his period of ownership.

Is that because he won't work for Snyder or because Snyder wouldn't hire him?

I don't think it's anything like that. I just think that Allen, for now at least, enjoys being in more of a "consultant" type role and keeping his options open.

When the Browns talk to Holmgren it's "The Browns are taking decisive action now to make fundamental changes to the organization" When the Redskins talk to Shanahan it's "Dan Snyder has no patience, he's always meddling"

It's a totally different situation. It looks like Lerner is trying to start from the very top and work his way down. Hire top football guy, let him hire the coach, scouts and so on. That's not the case here. Snyder is trying to get Shanahan DURING the season. Sorry but that's meddling.

Totally agree....what we SHOULD do (and we are missing out as i type) is bring back JC, keep Zorn and......hire Mike Holmgren as the GM!!!!! Since he ran the WC offense and knows Zorn very well...it would make a perfect match while keeping JC in the same system. Holmgren would be able to tell if Zorn is better or Sherm Lewis at calling plays (so you solve that issue). But.......we are sitting on our hands and the Browns are making moves....I really believe this would work....thoughts???

I don't think bringing in MH is a good idea. One he wouldn't take any shit from Napolean. And two he's never run a front office before.

I don't think bringing in MH is a good idea. One he wouldn't take any shit from Napolean. And two he's never run a front office before.

He was GM/head coach when he first got to Seattle

He was GM/head coach when he first got to Seattle

That's right. He treid to do both and it didn't work. My point was that the majority of his career he's been a coach. He's not true personel guy. I want a guy that's willing to go to the middle of no where and find Leon Lett or a Monte Colemen.

That's right. He treid to do both and it didn't work. My point was that the majority of his career he's been a coach. He's not true personel guy. I want a guy that's willing to go to the middle of no where and find Leon Lett or a Monte Colemen.

I thought your point was he's never run a front office before.

He does have experience doing it and he's probably always had a significant say in personnel during his coaching years.