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diehardskin2982 12-09-2009, 04:06 PM Zorn is not a great leader, He is holding on to a job that pays him millions. If I was Zorn, I'd do the same thing.. You can do what you want, say what you want about me, make me look like a total puss to the public, but as long as I have the title of headcoach you have to pay me and if you fire me you STILL have to pay me.
I think Vinny has done a good job, the problem is that both Vinny and Snyder listens to the media and us fans way too much. For years we complained about not having big targets and no definsive line/ pass rush so they addressed that area. If there was any free agents available on the offensive line worth something over the last 2 years, I'm sure they would have brought them in. We pushed hard Leonard Davis and if Jordan Gross made it to the free market he would be a Redskin right now. No one could have foreseen what was going to happen to Samuels and Portis for that matter. I am confident that the Line will be a priority this offseason.
As nice as Zorn is, he not ready to be a NFL head coach. The truth is that Snyder should have stuck to his guns and brought in Fassel. He has crippled the growth of Zorn as a NFL coach by overwhelming him.
What should be done?
Either they comletely clean house bring in a whole new regiem or promote from within. Gray could be a good Headcoach. If he keeps Lewis as the OC and Blanche stays on as the DC we will make the playoffs. The strength of schedule will be weaker next year. Also they could invest in a JC as the QB of the future.
But we all know Shannahan wil be the coach and they will hand pick his future QB in this years draft. JC will be out of here and a vet like Vick, Hasselbeck or someone will be here until the rookie is ready to take over the team.
#56fanatic 12-09-2009, 04:24 PM Zorn is not a great leader, He is holding on to a job that pays him millions. If I was Zorn, I'd do the same thing.. You can do what you want, say what you want about me, make me look like a total puss to the public, but as long as I have the title of headcoach you have to pay me and if you fire me you STILL have to pay me.
I think Vinny has done a good job, the problem is that both Vinny and Snyder listens to the media and us fans way too much. For years we complained about not having big targets and no definsive line/ pass rush so they addressed that area. If there was any free agents available on the offensive line worth something over the last 2 years, I'm sure they would have brought them in. We pushed hard Leonard Davis and if Jordan Gross made it to the free market he would be a Redskin right now. No one could have foreseen what was going to happen to Samuels and Portis for that matter. I am confident that the Line will be a priority this offseason.
As nice as Zorn is, he not ready to be a NFL head coach. The truth is that Snyder should have stuck to his guns and brought in Fassel. He has crippled the growth of Zorn as a NFL coach by overwhelming him.
What should be done?
Either they comletely clean house bring in a whole new regiem or promote from within. Gray could be a good Headcoach. If he keeps Lewis as the OC and Blanche stays on as the DC we will make the playoffs. The strength of schedule will be weaker next year. Also they could invest in a JC as the QB of the future.
But we all know Shannahan wil be the coach and they will hand pick his future QB in this years draft. JC will be out of here and a vet like Vick, Hasselbeck or someone will be here until the rookie is ready to take over the team.
Why anyone would want Vick to run a west coast style offense is beyond me. He cant throw the short crossing or out routes on a consistant basis because of his size. he can throw the ball down field, but really he is not a very good QB. Why people are infantuated with this dude is beyond me.
DynamiteRave 12-09-2009, 04:41 PM Zorn is not a great leader, He is holding on to a job that pays him millions. If I was Zorn, I'd do the same thing.. You can do what you want, say what you want about me, make me look like a total puss to the public, but as long as I have the title of headcoach you have to pay me and if you fire me you STILL have to pay me.
I think Vinny has done a good job, the problem is that both Vinny and Snyder listens to the media and us fans way too much. For years we complained about not having big targets and no definsive line/ pass rush so they addressed that area. If there was any free agents available on the offensive line worth something over the last 2 years, I'm sure they would have brought them in. We pushed hard Leonard Davis and if Jordan Gross made it to the free market he would be a Redskin right now. No one could have foreseen what was going to happen to Samuels and Portis for that matter. I am confident that the Line will be a priority this offseason.
As nice as Zorn is, he not ready to be a NFL head coach. The truth is that Snyder should have stuck to his guns and brought in Fassel. He has crippled the growth of Zorn as a NFL coach by overwhelming him.
What should be done?
Either they comletely clean house bring in a whole new regiem or promote from within. Gray could be a good Headcoach. If he keeps Lewis as the OC and Blanche stays on as the DC we will make the playoffs. The strength of schedule will be weaker next year. Also they could invest in a JC as the QB of the future.
But we all know Shannahan wil be the coach and they will hand pick his future QB in this years draft. JC will be out of here and a vet like Vick, Hasselbeck or someone will be here until the rookie is ready to take over the team.
After watching Vick play a brokedown wildcat form for an actually decent Philly team, I can only think Vick's half the QB he used to be. Dude's not starting material anymore, imo.
dmek25 12-09-2009, 04:43 PM i guess part of being a good leader is getting the gang to play hard, long after they know they are out of it. i don't think anyone on this board would argue the skins aren't playing hard. i would think this would be one of the toughest things to do in sports
saden1 12-09-2009, 04:48 PM Boring....and...stupid thread. I am not entertained at all. :Flush:
diehardskin2982 12-09-2009, 04:54 PM After watching Vick play a brokedown wildcat form for an actually decent Philly team, I can only think Vick's half the QB he used to be. Dude's not starting material anymore, imo.
I feel you right about Vick, but Snyder listens to the fans. There are enough dumb ass people out here blindly screaming for Vick to be a starting QB, even heard Lavar say it on the radio once!
SolidSnake84 12-09-2009, 04:55 PM I think Vick is showing flashes of his old self and what he could do.
Vick, who is arguably still in his prime, used to be a nightmare for def. coordinators because of the plays that he could make with his arm or feet.
2 years out of the game hurt him, but he is getting back slowly, and i think a full offseason of work and a full training camp and he is back to his old self again. He will start next year somewhere...i'm sure of it.
freddyg12 12-09-2009, 05:24 PM I don't disagree w/those that say Zorn has been in over his head. But there have been some notable changes since Sherm Lewis was brought in, if for no other reason than the players started to play out of respect (and maybe sympathy) for Zorn & all the pressure that was on him from the top.
Also, it's not just the players that take time to learn a new system. Zorn is learning as a coach. IMO, firing him now & starting w/a new offense is gambling w/all the investment of the last 2 years. Sure, maybe we'd hit the jackpot w/a new coach, but more than likely it would be another transition & another couple years, before things look decent.
I really think Zorn has earned the respect of everyone & deserves a chance to correct his mistakes, while also seeing his offense mature. Zorn is no S. Spurrier, he's showing improvement in his second year.
SolidSnake84 12-09-2009, 05:29 PM I think Zorn has regressed, personally. He goes 8-8 last year, and now, best case scenario he finishes 7-9, but he must run the tables to even do that.
More likely he finishes 3-13 or 4-12.
The improvement came when another playcaller was brought in. Unfortunatley Sherm was brought in too late....
franklinhimself 12-09-2009, 05:34 PM I don't think there are too many different likely outcomes that could happen next year.
The Redskins either stay with Zorn, and either draft a qb or stay with Campbell. Likely Gray becomes DC because Blache will retire. It will be year three, coming off a 3-13/4-12/5-11 year, and marked improvement in our offense being able to fully execute Zorn's WCO. We're probably looking at a record of 7-9 to 11-5.
Or, the house is cleaned and we start all over again. Winning record not until 2011.
I agree with those that exclaim that not only are our players continuing to pick up the playbook, but Zorn is also learning how to be the HC he can be.
With the way we are playing right now, despite all of our injuries even, we're about 3 plays away from being 6-6 and in the hunt for a wildcard berth.
I vote stay the course. I think Vinny is at least competent enough to know that with the possibility of Samuels and Thomas being done, T and G are top needs.
Mods: can we get a poll for "stay the course with Zorn" or "Clean House"
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