Climategate

Maybe if Tiger Woods banged a polar bear people would care about this story.

im not sure what i believe. but i know that all of the years of dumping all this crap into the environment will catch up to us, sooner or later. that's why when i hear drill baby drill, i cringe. funny how that was a republican catch phrase during the election, but not one whisper of it now( from anyone)

Not so fast Dmek! I've been advocating drilling off of VA for awhile now. They've also said (VA Gov) they're going to look into high-speed rail too. They must be listening to me.

I've got a question. Why are there so many Pennsylvanians living in VA? This isn't a joke. Does PA suck that bad?

I just realized that I have already used several foreign news articles. Why is the American media largely not reporting this stuff.

Daily Mail is a tabloid newspaper, one would hope our media doesn't follow their lead. BTW "Climategate" isn't as big of a deal as you think it is and there isn't much mischief going on. They're merely disregarding usage of tree rings to ascertain temperature measurements (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dendroclimatology#Limitations). I would have done the same. Why use a method that tells something different from temperature you've recorded with a thermometer? I would move alone if I were one of you people.

The divergence problem is the disagreement between the temperatures measured by the thermometers (instrumental temperatures) on one side and the temperatures reconstructed from the widths of tree rings on the other side, in the northern forests.

While the thermometer records indicate a substantial warming trend, many tree rings do not display a corresponding change in their width. A temperature trend extracted from tree rings alone would not show any substantial warming. The temperature graphs calculated in these two ways thus "diverge" from one another since the 1950s, which is the origin of the term.

im talking about people who matter. you know, the ones who make policy? not someone that is as irrelevant as you

Not so fast Dmek! I've been advocating drilling off of VA for awhile now. They've also said (VA Gov) they're going to look into high-speed rail too. They must be listening to me.

I've got a question. Why are there so many Pennsylvanians living in VA? This isn't a joke. Does PA suck that bad?

In Tidewater Va I see more people from NJ and NY moving into our area to get away from the high cost of living and high taxes.

Daily Mail is a tabloid newspaper, one would hope our media doesn't follow their lead. BTW "Climategate" isn't as big of a deal as you think it is and there isn't much mischief going on. They're merely disregarding usage of tree rings to ascertain temperature measurements (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dendroclimatology#Limitations). I would have done the same. Why use a method that tells something different from temperature you've recorded with a thermometer? I would move alone if I were one of you people.


It's really interesting how some think "climategate" debunks all of the science, all of the research, and indisputable data behind climate change. I can certainly understand people having issues with Al Gore on some level. But this isn't some wild theory spun out of thin air by Al Gore alone for his own personal gain - although he has profited handsomely from the ongoing debate. I think because Al Gore is a politician, a liberal politician I might add, an element of politics has been injected into the discussion that has been divisive.

I've yet to hear anyone step forward who has actually read all the emails, but what I can gather is that these scientists were, at a minimum, guilty of trying to keep some of the science from becoming politicized when, in fact, their perceived manipulating of data has done just that.

In the end though I don't think this controversy will have any long term traction to reverse the consensus building around the issue or the legislation being pushed through Congress.

im talking about people who matter. you know, the ones who make policy? not someone that is as irrelevant as you

Seriously, why do all of you move down here? I mean you guys have been voting in liberals for years, if not decades. It should be a effing paradise up there, right? Why do you come down here with all of the backward conservatives and whack job libertarians? Are you trying to convert us to trifling? I can't go a day without seeing a PA license plate on the road. There are also VA licensed cars that are plastered with Steelers and Iggles BS too. That's a sure give away. Why move away from your progressive utopia if it so great?

im from Lancaster county, home of the ultra conservative republican. but the are a ton of backwards rednecks here, too. that's what your seeing. Pa. is a beautiful place, but the people as a whole aren't very friendly. you can definitely tell the difference once you cross the Mason Dixon line. maybe they are looking for work? and if everyone has the same mind set that you have, it could be entertaining :)

im from Lancaster county, home of the ultra conservative republican. but the are a ton of backwards rednecks here, too. that's what your seeing. Pa. is a beautiful place, but the people as a whole aren't very friendly. you can definitely tell the difference once you cross the Mason Dixon line. maybe they are looking for work? and if everyone has the same mind set that you have, it could be entertaining :)

I'll tell you what. How about you trade us all of your rednecks for our liberals? We can train your "up round state college" hill folk to have some manners. I've done it before. Our liberals are already pissed off assholes. They should fit in nicely up there. So is it a deal?

Climategate”
Hacked e-mails show climate scientists in a bad light but don't change scientific consensus on global warming.
In late November 2009, more than 1,000 e-mails between scientists at the Climate Research Unit of the U.K.’s University of East Anglia were stolen and made public by an as-yet-unnamed hacker. Climate skeptics are claiming that they show scientific misconduct that amounts to the complete fabrication of …