Beemnseven
11-29-2009, 08:32 PM
Well Pioli hasn't shown anything yet, besides Darth Hoody was the reason for success in NE not Pioli.
So you think Pioli had nothing to do with it in NE? It's still a bit early to see anything from him in KC.
T.O.Killa
11-29-2009, 08:56 PM
Look this is the way I see it. Here is a list of the great organizations.
Eagles+McNabb=Great Organization
Colts+Manning=Great Organization
Steelers+Rothlesberger=Great Organization
Patriots+Brady=Great Organization
Saints+Breese=Great Organization
Chargers+Rivers=Great Organization
Vikings+Farve=Great Organization
Teams Begin and end with their QB.
tryfuhl
11-29-2009, 09:38 PM
Considering he would've been a top target for many needy teams I can see why they gave him the promotion.
cpayne5
11-29-2009, 10:43 PM
Hasn't this been in the works for a while? His dad has long been known to be retiring this year, and Chris's ascent to GM was only a matter of time. Today, the formality took place.
Ruhskins
11-29-2009, 10:48 PM
So you think Pioli had nothing to do with it in NE? It's still a bit early to see anything from him in KC.
He had something to do with it, but it wasn't all on him. I still think it was a bit foolish for him to go after Cassel (didn't he give away picks?) and he probably should have gotten rid of LJ just like he traded Tony G.
I'm sure Pioli would be an upgrade from what we have, but I think there are better options for GM out there.
diehardskin2982
11-29-2009, 11:04 PM
I think this move had to be made by the colts. With teams like the brown and the skins out there that may pay big money to lure a top young talent like that
Redskin Warrior
11-29-2009, 11:43 PM
Look this is the way I see it. Here is a list of the great organizations.
Eagles+McNabb=Great Organization
Colts+Manning=Great Organization
Steelers+Rothlesberger=Great Organization
Patriots+Brady=Great Organization
Saints+Breese=Great Organization
Chargers+Rivers=Great Organization
Vikings+Farve=Great Organization
Teams Begin and end with their QB.
I don't believe this way of thinking at all because at one point in time the Ravens won a super bowl without a star QB. The QB doesn't draft players, they don't evaluate talent to put around them. The GM does Ozzie made the Ravens successful before Flacco & with Flacco he has skill players around him OL protection three good RB's to go along with. The Ravens draft excellence every year not once in ten years. Do the elite QB's help? Yes. Do you need them? No. Look at the Ravens o-line we passed on Oher they didn't. I'm satisfied with Orapko don't get me wrong but if i knew what i know now then 13th draft would have been a OL for sure.
Ruhskins
11-30-2009, 12:02 AM
Look this is the way I see it. Here is a list of the great organizations.
Eagles+McNabb=Great Organization
Colts+Manning=Great Organization
Steelers+Rothlesberger=Great Organization
Patriots+Brady=Great Organization
Saints+Breese=Great Organization
Chargers+Rivers=Great Organization
Vikings+Farve=Great Organization
Teams Begin and end with their QB.
Chris Chandler
Trent Dilfer
Kerry Collins
Drew Bledsoe
Rich Gannon
Rex Grossman
Matt Hasselback
Brad Johnson
Jake Delhomme
are not what I would consider "great" QBs but all have been QBs of teams that have gone to the Superbowl.
And if you are talking about "historically" great organizations, well that's not the Saints or Minnesota...and maybe San Diego (at least if you ask Eli Manning who dreaded going there).
While you do need a good QB, you also need a solid foundation in your team. Why are the Vikes successful? Because they have a good offensive line to protect their good old QB.
The Redskins need more than a good QB, they need a solid offensive line and a running game in addition to a QB. And they need better coaches period.
There are three key elements for a great franchise and they go in this order.
1) Front office
2) Head coach
3) QB
I stole this from Cowherd but I think he's right. If you don't have these 3 things in place all working in harmony, chances are you are not a franchise that's built for long term success.
Texanskin
11-30-2009, 12:22 PM
Look this is the way I see it. Here is a list of the great organizations.
Eagles+McNabb=Great Organization
Colts+Manning=Great Organization
Steelers+Rothlesberger=Great Organization
Patriots+Brady=Great Organization
Saints+Breese=Great Organization
Chargers+Rivers=Great Organization
Vikings+Farve=Great Organization
Teams Begin and end with their QB.
no....the team begins with a smart GM that knows WHO to draft...is not afraid to draft o-linemen to PROTECT their investment..that is how you end with a great organization