I must have missed yesterday's game...

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Daseal
11-23-2009, 05:20 PM
Yeah, sorry SC -- not buying this one. The D looked bad on that last drive, but allowing 7 isn't exactly what I'd call a bad performance. We've been running with the bend dont break mentality for a while here in DC -- it has mainly worked. The biggest issue I had on the D side was McIntosh dropping that pick and possibly pick 6.

I blame the offense completely for this, and most, losses. Typically our D keeps the opponent under an average NFL score. If we had an average offense we'd win a lot more than we lose.

Bushead
11-23-2009, 05:41 PM
After reading all the comments here blaming Suisham and/or Zorn and/or the playcalling and/or the football gods for yesterday's loss to the Cowboys, I think I watched a different game.

In the game I saw, the sputtering Redskins offense had a 6-0 lead in the game with about 5 or 6 minutes left to play. The reason the Redskins lost the game is stunningly similar to the reason the Redskins have lost several games in the last two years:
In the 4th quarter when the team MUST HAVE a defensive stand (three-and-out or a turnover to get the ball back) what the team gets is a drive by the opposition resulting in a score.Yardage allowed stats are for losers. What matters is making the defensive stop when the team absolutely, positively has to have one. And the Skins' defense the last couple of years simply has NOT done that.

I do not keep notes on play-by-play as I watch the games, but in the final drive when the game was on the line, I believe the only negative play for the Cowboys was a false start penalty. I don't recall the Cowboys facing a 3rd down situation; if they did, it was certainly not 3rd-and-long. When it mattered, the defense came up small.

Granted, if either or both of the missed field goals is good, the Skins win. But the Redskins still had the game in hand or - to use a tennis term - on their racket with 5 or 6 minutes left in the game.

That was the game that came through on my cable system...

I have to completely and utterly disagree with you. I cannot believe anyone can even REMOTELY have this kind of opinion. The only reason the defense is in a position to make a stop is because the defense is the only good thing on this team.

I tell you that a team is going to only score 6 points this weekend. Would you expect them to win or lose? To even further the point, if I told you that the opposing team was only going to score 7 points for any match up you want, would you think that team would win or lose? In the first example, the team isn't going to win, and the second is they would. I'm not saying the Redskins team only lets people score 7 points in every game, what I'm saying is the defense is doing a spectacular job in not allowing offenses to put multiple touchdowns on the board. They held an offense for 58 minutes that can be highly explosive. AND AFTER ALL THIS, IT'S JUST SEVEN POINTS.

I know the defense has let us down on a few times this year (thinking of Carolina and Jake here) but I can think when they practically won the Bucs game. It confuses the hell out of me to make that point at the defense. 7 points is NOTHING to every offense in the NFL except the bottom 3 teams, which the redskins are.

If you can blame the defense this year for being the cause of the problems when they make turnovers and only get field goals, when they sack and get good field position for a 3 and out, and when they have to always play more time than the offense, then so be it. But, I would like to say that is not possible.

Our offense can't score 2 touchdowns a game consistently, and with that kind of output, you just aren't going to win games. To say that the defense should expect never break down for even one touchdown a game in today's NFL is ridiculous.

CRedskinsRule
11-23-2009, 06:07 PM
Let's remember that Green Bay's soso D also held the allpowerful cowboys to 7. They are struggling and our "elite" could have made a statement game with one final defensive stand, and did they no. did anyone expect them to? no(well DRave did, but she was loopy at that time anyway;) ) Should we expect our "elite" d to be able to seal a victory when it's just one drive? yes. Remember, our o did do a good job of using the clock, as did dallas'. this was not a long game for the d, and one batted ball, interception, etc and that game probably ends in our favor.

Meh, the team isn't who I thought they were.

Trample the Elderly
11-23-2009, 06:14 PM
After reading all the comments here blaming Suisham and/or Zorn and/or the playcalling and/or the football gods for yesterday's loss to the Cowboys, I think I watched a different game.

In the game I saw, the sputtering Redskins offense had a 6-0 lead in the game with about 5 or 6 minutes left to play. The reason the Redskins lost the game is stunningly similar to the reason the Redskins have lost several games in the last two years:


In the 4th quarter when the team MUST HAVE a defensive stand (three-and-out or a turnover to get the ball back) what the team gets is a drive by the opposition resulting in a score.


Yardage allowed stats are for losers. What matters is making the defensive stop when the team absolutely, positively has to have one. And the Skins' defense the last couple of years simply has NOT done that.

I do not keep notes on play-by-play as I watch the games, but in the final drive when the game was on the line, I believe the only negative play for the Cowboys was a false start penalty. I don't recall the Cowboys facing a 3rd down situation; if they did, it was certainly not 3rd-and-long. When it mattered, the defense came up small.

Granted, if either or both of the missed field goals is good, the Skins win. But the Redskins still had the game in hand or - to use a tennis term - on their racket with 5 or 6 minutes left in the game.

That was the game that came through on my cable system...

What the hell are you talking about? How many football teams win with 2 effing field goals? You want to pin that on the D? :bs:

53Fan
11-23-2009, 06:19 PM
Not that it matters, but ESPN just showed that Dallas had an ineligible receiver downfield on the TD pass and the officials didn't catch it. I don't blame our loss on that, it's just typical, that's all.

MTK
11-23-2009, 06:44 PM
I can't hang too much blame on the D when they pitched a shutout for 3 quarters. The offense simply needs to put up more than 2 FG's. That's the game I was watching.

rbanerjee23
11-23-2009, 06:48 PM
I completely agree with the original poster...I am so surprised to see that the Redskins have such a good defense because they always give up big plays when we can least afford it.

Gmanc711
11-23-2009, 06:50 PM
Well, I understand the overall thought here...because its true... yesterday, you absolutley can't blame the defense, you hold the Cowboys to 7 points... thats on everyone else but the defense....

But this does point out a disturbing trend...something that has happened time and time again

GMScud
11-23-2009, 06:51 PM
I can't hang too much blame on the D when they pitched a shutout for 3 quarters. The offense simply needs to put up more than 2 FG's. That's the game I was watching.

Agreed. Sure they allowed the final score, but come on. We went on the road and held our archrival to 7 points. ANY TIME a team can hold the opponent to a single touchdown, you've got to win. I don't care if the opponent scores that lone touchdown on the opening or final drive of the game. 7 points allowed has got to equal a W. Our offense is just that bad.

GMScud
11-23-2009, 06:53 PM
I completely agree with the original poster...I am so surprised to see that the Redskins have such a good defense because they always give up big plays when we can least afford it.

I agree that we've allowed some big plays at inopportune times, but every defense, even great ones, allow big plays occasionally. I recall our D having a few pretty bad ass goal line stands this season as well. Those are must have stops too.

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