Campbell Comparables

Decided to start a new Campbell thread since the OP in the "Campbell's numbers don't lie" thread is now 6 weeks old, and no one is going to read through 1,000 posts.

Bill Barnwell at FO provides us this PFR query for Jason Campbell's season, based on the explosion of his sack rate. He compares Campbell's numbers to the 17 closest seasons in the last thirty years.

The link is here:

Player Season Finder Query Results | Pro-Football-Reference.com (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/tiny/WnSlC)

Barnwell's analysis is here:

FOOTBALL OUTSIDERS: Innovative Statistics, Intelligent Analysis | Jason Campbell's Sack Rate (http://www.footballoutsiders.com/extra-points/2009/jason-campbells-sack-rate)

The most interesting thing is the two closest seasons to the season Campbell is having now, out of every QB season in the last 30 years, were Ben Roethlisberger's worst two seasons. There's little doubt that Roethlisberger is seeing downfield right now a lot better than Campbell is, but I'm not sure that's always been the case.

Question is, exactly how did the Steelers get that offense to where they are right now? And how can the Redskins prevent this situation from finishing out as bad as it started.

regardless of how many pro- Campbell post are out there, Jason doesn't make the best decisions during the course of the game and cannot lead his team to victory. He is a better manager, than a leader. Right now the Redskins need a leader.

The other thread is still alive and well...it's 6-weeks old because it's going to be an ongoing thread for the entire season.

I thought JC had his best game in weeks on sunday. A few times in the first half he had his head down while moving in the pocket. They even commented on it in the booth. But he was under crazy pressure. He settled down & made some nice plays. His accuracy was about as good as it's been all year.

I'm not expecting much, but if Buges et al can keep the fire lit under the o line like they did in the 2nd half sunday, I think JC will play well. I was very impressed w/him sunday, he showed a lot of heart & poise to play the way he did after getting sacked 5 times.

I wonder if the new o line w/Jones at Lt, Heyer at RT will be an improvement?

I haven't heard anyone say that Campbell did poorly against Atlanta; only that it's too little too late at this point.

regardless of how many pro- Campbell post are out there, Jason doesn't make the best decisions during the course of the game and cannot lead his team to victory. He is a better manager, than a leader. Right now the Redskins need a leader.

Exactly. Zero in the leadership department. A complete flushing out of the offense is what we need. Bye Bye JC!!!!

Exactly. Zero in the leadership department. A complete flushing out of the offense is what we need. Bye Bye JC!!!!

Actually if we had a running game and our defense would be as elite as we pay them, then we would be fine with a game manager.

I haven't heard anyone say that Campbell did poorly against Atlanta; only that it's too little too late at this point.

That certainly is the sentiment at this point. I don't know that I would count him out entirely yet. If he plays well & the offense gets going (relatively speaking), it could make for a tough decision in the offseason. What if he plays like the 6-2 run of last year?

At this point it's highly likely that a qb is brought in via draft or free agency in 10, but that doesn't have to mean that JC is out. I agree that it's likely, but I could also see a new coach and/or GM keeping him here to compete for the job. The cba will have a lot to do w/it I think.

I thought JC had his best game in weeks on sunday. A few times in the first half he had his head down while moving in the pocket. They even commented on it in the booth. But he was under crazy pressure. He settled down & made some nice plays. His accuracy was about as good as it's been all year.

I'm not expecting much, but if Buges et al can keep the fire lit under the o line like they did in the 2nd half sunday, I think JC will play well. I was very impressed w/him sunday, he showed a lot of heart & poise to play the way he did after getting sacked 5 times.

I wonder if the new o line w/Jones at Lt, Heyer at RT will be an improvement?

I did too. I was impressed. It's hard to criticize him when he's getting pummeled the way he is, BUT he wasn't under duress the first 4 games of the season. It wasn't until Samuels went down that the line broke-down completely. In terms of sacks, he was in the bottom third of all starters after 4 games. And even during the 6-2 start last year, when the running game was best in the league, and he was getting ample time he only threw 8 TDs (16 TD pace).

The names on GTRIPPs list, Elway, Jaworski, Big Ben, Simms, etc. may have have performed comparably when they had similar sack totals, but what they did in other years was vastly better than Campbell has shown himself capable of. But I know there are other factors like coaching, wide receivers, systems, etc. Maybe he's been permanently damaged by the Skins, maybe he'll do well with another team, maybe he's just average no matter what the circumstances. We may never know.

Exactly. Zero in the leadership department. A complete flushing out of the offense is what we need. Bye Bye JC!!!!

Until you are in the huddle, or around the team for a considerable amount ot time, assumptions like this are asinine.