NY_Skinsfan
10-18-2004, 08:51 AM
IMO, most people on this board who are against Ramsey are only using the short time he was in vs. the Giants as their basis for how he is playing. That game, in no way, is any representation of how Ramsey will play or has played in the past. Imagine if Ramsey was the starter and Brunell came in to relieve Ramsey in that game...Sh@t, we would have lost by at least 13 points rather than the 6.
Hogskin
10-18-2004, 11:12 AM
Well, I am sure NOT a fan of Ramsey (at ALL). You have seen my many posts wanting to get him traded before the season, and not wanting him to start. But Brunell has failed. Period. He is all done in the NFL. He can't hit WIDE open guys with no pressure on him at times.
The problem with Ramsey is that he has shown absolutely no ability (or is it willingness???) to learn. He has not improved on any of his very significant faults.
TH is raw.
This makes it REAL tough for Gibbs. But I sure wish he would make SOME change. It is awfully hard to watch the receivers getting frustrated the way they are. They get wide open and the ball inexplicably sails out of bounds 20 yards away!! Or the pass over the middle is high and gets someone's head knocked off. TERRIBLE!!!!!!!
That Guy
10-18-2004, 11:38 AM
times opinion poll, "should ramsey start?" 41% yes, 59% no... odd how the overall opinion on the board differs from the times' readership (that voted)...
Sadistic Jeff
10-18-2004, 12:03 PM
It could be worse. We COULD have Jonathan Quinn.
BIGREDSKINFAN63
10-18-2004, 03:14 PM
if gibbs is gonna switch to ramsey,he'll do it now during the bye week.if he does'nt,barring injury brunnel will be the starter all year.
JWsleep
10-18-2004, 03:36 PM
Ramsey also looked very, very weak in preseason, remember? It's not just the jints game, which was terrible.
I'm all for pulling Brunnel now, because he's playing so bad that Ramsey couldn't be much worse. And then Ramsye might get better with game experience under GIbbs. But it's not gonna happen, folks. Let's hope Mark can resurrect his ass.
Gibbs has maintained that the O-line hasn't given Brunnel time to throw on lots of passes. I think this is actually true. They are not very good at picking up the blitz. My bet is Gibbs is waiting for the o-line to really jell before contemplating a move at QB. Also, coach loyalty is important to players. And Gibbs has said we're all in it together, no one guy is to blame, etc, etc. To lay it on Brunnel now would go against those words. Get used to Brunnel.
WashingtonWarrior
10-18-2004, 03:44 PM
Yes, a couple of us went into all of the detail last week, about when Theismann was playing just like Brunell is now. It was in his last year. The Skins were 5-5, I believe. But Theismann had been TERRIBLE all year while the rest of the team was great, and Gibbs would not make the change. We were losing to the Giants when his leg got broken. We came back to win the game and went 10-6 for the season. Gibbs is VERY slow to change his QB, if it is a veteran. That may be his only fault as a head coach. It certainly is his biggest. I am hoping he is just putting this out for the press and has different plans, but that is not likely.
If you remember he did the same with that sorry Qb we had in the late 80's....uh whats his name oh yeah Jay Schroeder or something...all year he stunk up a Super Bowl team and it culminated in the NFC championship when we got our butt kick by the Giants and Gibbs sent in Doug Williams and Jay wouldnt leave the field....WHAT!!!!!!!!! whos the coach. later that night Jay's on the sideline crying Next year Super Bowl MVP Doug Williams...... CHange QB's NOW GIBBS PLEASE!!!!!!11
Schroeder set a team record for passing yards that year, I guess he wasn't stinking it up that bad.
That Guy
10-18-2004, 05:46 PM
i wish our QB could stink that bad...
denim_monger
10-19-2004, 10:46 AM
I'll be cheering for the Redskins to win even if denim monger is the QB (did I just say that?!) And I don't want Brunell to get badly hurt or anything like that but I think we need to be proactive about this. I will respect Gibbs' decision no matter what but I think instead of waiting for another game in which we lose because the offense couldn't take advantage of our great defense we need to send someone out there with the physical tools to generate some offense for us.
Ramsey has the physical tools and the only way for him to develop the intangible skills is for him to get out there and play.
i been known to play some mean nerf football qb when me and my buds play some football on turkey day we call it the turkey bowl. we're always really trashed and high as a skyscraper, last year my bud puked all over the ball, nasty