Our next coach??

I think we'd be much better off right now had we hired Fassel as HC and kept Zorn at OC.

I agree. However, I think we'd just be mediocre (see Fassel's record) as opposed to putrid (see Zorn's record). In the long run, this might have been the best way to go - if things hit rock bottom, snyder will have no choice but to effect real change.

Well, this is the danger of going after experienced guys like the three you mentioned. Because all have proven success rates as NFL head coaches. But Shanahan doesn't want to come back as just head coach and his record as a personnel man is not all that much better (if at all) than VC's; Holmgren seems to want to be Bill Parcells and not coach at all and if he agreed to coach he'd probably want to GM as well-and he hasn't shown he can be too successful in a dual role.

And then there's Cowher who has no experience in the dual role.

All I'm saying is what's better-Mike Shanahan as both Head Coach and GM or say Eric DeCosta as GM, Russ Grimm as HC, and Charlie Weis as offensive coordinator (just to throw some names out there)?

By all appearances, Holmgren will be announced as the Seahawks GM any day now, so I think we can essentially remove him from the list of candidates for any role with this team (if we hadnt already done so.)

Regarding Shanahan, i haven't definitively read that he wants total control himself. Is it confirmed? My impression is that he may just want to pick his front office staff, similar to what Cowher is reportedly looking for. However, if either of them wants total control, i think we should pass.

I'm with you on Fassel, at least. Brian Billick, too. Both would be good choices, better than Shanahan.

Of course, with Gruden out of the mix, I'm much more inclined to push for another first-time head coach. Like Ron Rivera.

Would the team necessarily need/want an offensive head coach given the problems they've had on that side of the ball?

By all appearances, Holmgren will be announced as the Seahawks GM any day now, so I think we can essentially remove him from the list of candidates for any role with this team (if we hadnt already done so.)

Regarding Shanahan, i haven't definitively read that he wants total control himself. Is it confirmed? My impression is that he may just want to pick his front office staff, similar to what Cowher is reportedly looking for. However, if either of them wants total control, i think we should pass.

Shanahan would probably pick a General Manager but that person will be more of a coordinator/organizer who will compile the information kind of like Heckert does for Reid in Philly, or even the Broncos had with Ted Sundquist. It was Shanahan's team but Sundquist had the title of GM.

Shanahan would probably pick a General Manager but that person will be more of a coordinator/organizer who will compile the information kind of like Heckert does for Reid in Philly, or even the Broncos had with Ted Sundquist. It was Shanahan's team but Sundquist had the title of GM.

Well the only positive thing I could say about Shanahan here in that scenario is that Shanahan would be making the final call on player acquisitions instead of Snyderatto and he'd have the sense to draft offensive linemen in the first two rounds every now and then. I'd rather Shanahan have a "puppet GM" than Snyder to continue to use Vinny as his.

Of course, the same thing could be said if we had a true GM - Snyder wouldnt be the one making the decisions anymore.

My issues with Fassel revolve around how he coached in New York. Oh don't get me wrong the players loved him. He's a players coach. I just never saw him as a coach that would take a team to the SB and even said that when he was a coach. His play calls were not that great and the actaul plays were not that great. Meaning it was a bland offense. They always won close games.

My second issue is that he is a players coach. I think we need more of a disciplinarian right now. Someone like a Marty or Cowher, maybe Grimm would fill that roll nicely.

Billick never had a decent offense. He's the head coach. It's his duty to make sure it works and I think either it was his system that failed and he wouldn't admit it or his loyalty to whoever was supposed to make the offense work. Fire them and bring in someone who would have fixed the problem but he didn't. Our major issues right now are offense and we are looking at two ex-HC's who had mediocre offenses.

I only like Shanahan cause the O-lines were great in Denver. Great blocking scheme's. Great pass blocking scheme's. He's not my first choice though cause he does not strike me as a disciplinarian.

Although winning fixes everything. We start winning with whoever and everyone will be happy. Some of us might be asking which is the best way to eat crow.

Well the only positive thing I could say about Shanahan here in that scenario is that Shanahan would be making the final call on player acquisitions instead of Snyderatto and he'd have the sense to draft offensive linemen in the first two rounds every now and then. I'd rather Shanahan have a "puppet GM" than Snyder to continue to use Vinny as his.

Of course, the same thing could be said if we had a true GM - Snyder wouldnt be the one making the decisions anymore.

I think maybe once, perhaps twice, in 10 years did Shanahan and the Broncos draft offensive linemen in the first two rounds

My issues with Fassel revolve around how he coached in New York. Oh don't get me wrong the players loved him. He's a players coach. I just never saw him as a coach that would take a team to the SB and even said that when he was a coach. His play calls were not that great and the actaul plays were not that great. Meaning it was a bland offense. They always won close games.

My second issue is that he is a players coach. I think we need more of a disciplinarian right now. Someone like a Marty or Cowher, maybe Grimm would fill that roll nicely.

Billick never had a decent offense. He's the head coach. It's his duty to make sure it works and I think either it was his system that failed and he wouldn't admit it or his loyalty to whoever was supposed to make the offense work. Fire them and bring in someone who would have fixed the problem but he didn't. Our major issues right now are offense and we are looking at two ex-HC's who had mediocre offenses.

I only like Shanahan cause the O-lines were great in Denver. Great blocking scheme's. Great pass blocking scheme's. He's not my first choice though cause he does not strike me as a disciplinarian.

Although winning fixes everything. We start winning with whoever and everyone will be happy. Some of us might be asking which is the best way to eat crow.

Except that Fassel did take a team to the SB :confused:

Check Billick's offenses in Minnesota.

There are certainly better options than Fassel but I don't understand why he gets such a bad rap either Beems. I can't understand why we so quickly dismiss the likes of Fassel, Fisher, and Schottenheimer because they've never won a Super Bowl in spite of all their success overall as head coaches in the NFL...yet we clamor for the likes of Cam Cameron, who could be just fine his second time around but hasn't accomplished nearly what the others have.

Don't forget Jim Harbaugh too.

I think maybe once, perhaps twice, in 10 years did Shanahan and the Broncos draft offensive linemen in the first two rounds

Well thats a better record thatn we've had here. besides, Denver always had potent offenses under shanahan, so their line was not holding them back. In fact, thier line always seemed to be among the best in the NFL... although i'm not sure smaller, more agile linemen would be as effective in this division. We need big guys to counter the defensive lines in the East.