Our next coach??

IMO, that would be an amazing combination and would definitely be a move that would be absolutely brilliant for this team. Unfortunately, Snyder and Cowher aren't interested in eachother from what i've read.

Yeah that's the rumor now, but it wasn't a few months back, and it may not be a few months from now. A lot can change between now and January

It's kind of funny how you were all anti-Weis for several posts...yet hadn't really given much thought to his actual background other than he was just fired by Notre Dame as head coach.

Anyhow, Weis and Shanahan probably wouldn't and won't be a good combo. Weis and Cowher on the other hand...

Well to be honest I didn't hear the name and then run out and check him out. Several times earlier I had asked people to inform me as to why they thoought he would be a good candidate. I'm not just going to willy nilly agree that someone should be a good candidate because a few people are riding his jock. On another site people where doing the same thing, not sure if it wasn't the same people but I again asked what was so special about him. No one answered. I coulda, shoulda, Wiki'd him prior to opening my mouth I guess but as you would do with most of your friends you would simply say why do you think he would be a good candidate. With out a decent answer ...I'm seeing a college coach who must have come from the pros and failed. Got fired at the college level. One could say if you can't make it at the college level you aren't going to make it at the NFL level.

I was open to the reasoning. One was "just cause he didn't make it at the college level does not mean he can't make it at the NFL level." I agreed.

I didn't look into him but you guys pointed out he used to be a OC with the Patriots during their SB yrs.

This is when I took the time to look into him. I can be swayed with reasonable information which was lacking on this site other then to say ..."Lets get Charlie Weis." All I needed was the "Why do you think he would be a good choice" and you guys answered it.

I mentioned Carmichael and Christensen cause they are with winning teams right now. I presume they had something to do with that. I'm not DS who would most likely be looking deeper into whether they would or would not be great coach's here, I was simply suggesting other people who I presumed were OC for their teams or had a roll in making them a winning team. Plus they were young.

I could simply keep putting up a post saying

"I want Marty Schottemheimer...get er done."

but I didn't. I like to think I open for suggestions and conversations about those suggestions. Besides we would not have had such a great posting session had I simply said " No I still think he sucks, lets get Marty.".....and yes I know you guys have already said Marty is not wishing to come back.

Yeah that's the rumor now, but it wasn't a few months back, and it may not be a few months from now. A lot can change between now and January

Thats true. We can only hope. The fact that hiring Cowher and committing to him long-term would be the best move Snyder (low risk / high reward) could make in the offseason from a football perspective, its about the only thing Snyder could do that would appease the fans who are fed up with how he's been running this team. Hiring Shanahan and giving him total control just aint gonna cut it.

Yeah that's the rumor now, but it wasn't a few months back, and it may not be a few months from now. A lot can change between now and January


DS is the guru at changing peoples mind. Which is why I still hold out a smidgen of hope everyone gets snatched up and he's left with Marty, but I am now believing there is most likely a verbal agreement already in place with Shanahan. Just a feeling. Otherwise DS would be panicking about teams that have already called him to meat with him. Cerrato and Zorn would already be fired and DS would have Redskins1 enroute to pick him up.

Thats true. We can only hope. The fact that hiring Cowher and committing to him long-term would be the best move Snyder (low risk / high reward) could make in the offseason from a football perspective, its about the only thing Snyder could do that would appease the fans who are fed up with how he's been running this team. Hiring Shanahan and giving him total control just aint gonna cut it.

I would settle for starting with Cerrato and telling him his services were no longer needed.

I would settle for starting with Cerrato and telling him his services were no longer needed.

I wouldnt fire Cerrato unless/until I was pretty sure I could land a specific replacement. If Snyder wants either of the big name coaches (really its down to just Shanahan and Cowher at this point), he'd need to hire them first and have them select the front office structure they wanted. Its kind of a backwards way to do it, but the only way I can see it happening this year.

I wouldnt fire Cerrato unless/until I was pretty sure I could land a specific replacement. If Snyder wants either of the big name coaches (really its down to just Shanahan and Cowher at this point), he'd need to hire them first and have them select the front office structure they wanted. Its kind of a backwards way to do it, but the only way I can see it happening this year.

kinda like hiring a oc before you have a hc?

I don't know about the head coach but how does charlie weis as oc and al groh as dc sound to u guys?

kinda like hiring a oc before you have a hc?

Not really. Hiring an OC before a HC wreaked of an owner wanting to essentially install a "puppet head coach," which is exactly what Zorn has been his entire time here. Its only become blatantly evident in the most recent couple of months as Zorn has been publically neutered of authority and responsibilities. If I didnt know better, i'd think Snyder never really expected Zorn to succeed and was merely using him as a placeholder the entire time until bigger fish became available. (Who rebuffed Snyder 2 years ago because he wasnt ready to return to coaching yet?... Hmmm. No, can't be it. Snyder and Cowher don't want to have anything to do with eachother.)

Anyway, hiring a big name head coach before hiring a GM is the most sensible thing to do in this situation. While its often wise to gamble on a young HC with upside, you simply don't gamble on a GM. If you're rebuilding, you want to do it with someone who has serious credentials. Chris Polian was the only guy who fit the bill and he's now off the market. As far as older guys who've been GMs before, they've all been fired from previous jobs and for good reason - they have proven track records of failure. There are simply no "elite" GMs available. However, there are two, and possibly three (if we include Holmgren), elite coaches available. The smart thing to do in these circumstances is to hire your coach and then let him select a GM he trusts and is comfortable working with. If Snyder doesnt do that, then surely, one of the other teams out there will. If Snyder wants to land one of them, he would be foolish to fire Cerrato and hire a GM before selecting the HC. To do so would limit his options, as Cowher and probably Shanahan, already have guys in mind they'd want to fill GM roles.

Now, Snyder may hire Parcells or Gibbs as team president, and let them select the coach and GM... but under no circumstances should he hire a GM before a coach unless/until Cowher, Shanahan, and Holmgren are no longer available/under consideration.

I wouldnt fire Cerrato unless/until I was pretty sure I could land a specific replacement. If Snyder wants either of the big name coaches (really its down to just Shanahan and Cowher at this point), he'd need to hire them first and have them select the front office structure they wanted. Its kind of a backwards way to do it, but the only way I can see it happening this year.

I would fire Vinny even if it meant I needed to pull someone off this board and name them GM.