Our next coach??

i only faulted zorn at first then i started to feel for the guy, i mean he was brought in here with no experience to be an oc then he was bumped to hc cause danny and vinny couldn't find anyone else

as far as playcalling, does anyone really give s lewis all the credit of the o production? i really think he didn't do that much everything was basically the same for the first few games then portis got hurt and the o turned on, i love portis but i really think it was him holding us back

and i agree with matty, at this point unless we get shut out by dallas and then shut out by philly then i don't see zorn leaving before the seasons end

as for our next coach i still have no front runner evetyone thinnks shannahan but there's so many openings he will end up some where w.o the headache in the fo

Let's see, in the redzone, our production has clearly increased, we have passed more effectively, brought in more youth (mitchell one game, others have been used far more). I think our play calling has been dramatically improved by Lewis' performance. Zorn always tried for the perfect play, and therefore never thought multiple plays ahead(in my opinion), now we see our offense flowing more smoothly even with a more complex system of getting the call to him.

Also, in the last 3 games, against top 10 defenses, we have scored 17 17 and 24 with Lewis calling the offense, how did we do with Zorn, against what kind of defenses?

Let's see, in the redzone, our production has clearly increased, we have passed more effectively, brought in more youth (mitchell one game, others have been used far more). I think our play calling has been dramatically improved by Lewis' performance. Zorn always tried for the perfect play, and therefore never thought multiple plays ahead(in my opinion), now we see our offense flowing more smoothly even with a more complex system of getting the call to him.

Also, in the last 3 games, against top 10 defenses, we have scored 17 17 and 24 with Lewis calling the offense, how did we do with Zorn, against what kind of defenses?

two games turst me i'm watching him like a hawk

and i'm not saying we haven't improved we obviously have, and while sherm might be part of the reason, did it not look lik ewe really started to click in the second half of the atlanta game when portis got hurt?

btw nflnetwrok just said he is out for sunday

And I am not saying that Betts for Portis, or LJones in Denver haven't also impacted it, but I can not find it in me to believe that we would have scored over 10 points in any of those 3 games if Zorn was calling the plays. The only game we had 17 with Zorn this year was the Giants(from memory) and even it that one, we would have stalled in the red zone if we hadn't done the trick play (WHICH I fully credit Zorn with in both cases. This is where he can do good, knowing when to be aggressive with the tricks and 4th down, and when to live for another day)

I think the refreshing attitude the "2nd stringers" have brought has also been a key to our success. Maybe Portis, Cooley, and Moss all believed the hype to the detriment of the team.

do you not think that he has certain people telling him that he needs to have the big names in though? because with marko's size and production in the preseason can you honestly see ANY team in the nfl not giving him a shot before the 9th week?

and that 17 againgts the giants was trash points at the end anyway, but we had 17 against the panters philly and atl

this damn wireless keyboard does not help my bad spelling either

do you not think that he has certain people telling him that he needs to have the big names in though? because with marko's size and production in the preseason can you honestly see ANY team in the nfl not giving him a shot before the 9th week?

and that 17 againgts the giants was trash points at the end anyway, but we had 17 against the panters philly and atl

I don't really understand your point. My point is our offense has looked substantially more dynamic, again IMO, since Lewis started calling. It's not the plays themselves, but the use of them. I know when Zorn was calling plays full time, I could predict fairly close what our play was, and I am no where near the caliber of the DCoordinators in the NFL. And the 17 points against philly and atl, were under lewis, and against real defenses.

I don't really understand your point. My point is our offense has looked substantially more dynamic, again IMO, since Lewis started calling. It's not the plays themselves, but the use of them. I know when Zorn was calling plays full time, I could predict fairly close what our play was, and I am no where near the caliber of the DCoordinators in the NFL. And the 17 points against philly and atl, were under lewis, and against real defenses.

i just think zorn is on a leash and told what he is allowed to do, i think that any coach wanting to "find a spark" would try a seemingly amazing talent in mithcell

and as far as the play calling i honestly haven't seen anything that drastic, i guess you are refering to the times in which plays are called, i just feel that are o was the same with minor changes if the first few games with sherm, but once cp went out we started to light it up.

i guess my point would be that sherm has helped out a little bit, but portis getting a concusion actually helped us out more, as weird as that may seem, just because portis has been playing hurt all year and no one could actually stop him from sutiing up and playing, until he got the concussion

betts has been PRACTICING with first team and has a rythm with them which goes a long way

I don't really understand your point. My point is our offense has looked substantially more dynamic, again IMO, since Lewis started calling. It's not the plays themselves, but the use of them. I know when Zorn was calling plays full time, I could predict fairly close what our play was, and I am no where near the caliber of the DCoordinators in the NFL. And the 17 points against philly and atl, were under lewis, and against real defenses.

I heard somewhere a while back that Zorn complained about not being able to get to his fiftenth play until late in the third qtr. He expressed that to the media or something with that said, he pretty much is calling a handfull of plays repeatedly without even adjusting to the defense. So the reason our offense had been so weak was that he was calling plays over and over again that where not having an effect. For instance earlier in the year on those goal line plays he ran to the left and were stuffed he just never adjusted to the personnel or anything.

He is not a coach look at ARE, still back there letting the ball bounce back for like 20 yds in a critical part of the game.

I don't know that I think Zorn is on a leash, I think he firmly believes in the starter has the job, and doesn't lose it. Who do you think tells Zorn to play or not play WR's or keep ARE at punt returns? If anything I think since the losses to the 0fers, Zorn is being forced to play others, and that also is helping us.
I agree that CP out has also helped, sad to say. but also the comfort with the new play calling system has helped too. It's just a case where so much has changed it's hard to see which specific change has had the most effect. I tend to mark the difference at the point where JZ lost playcalling, but I can see your point as well.

I heard somewhere a while back that Zorn complained about not being able to get to his fiftenth play until late in the third qtr. He expressed that to the media or something with that said, he pretty much is calling a handfull of plays repeatedly without even adjusting to the defense. So the reason our offense had been so weak was that he was calling plays over and over again that where not having an effect. For instance earlier in the year on those goal line plays he ran to the left and were stuffed he just never adjusted to the personnel or anything.

He is not a coach look at ARE, still back there letting the ball bounce back for like 20 yds in a critical part of the game.

or when the red zone was failing and the comment surfaced that we had one play for Cooley and we already used it. Compare that to Lewis in the redzone, I can't remember the specifics, but basically he went to davis it didn't work so he went right back to him. But what really got me, was when we had to call a timeout because Zorn was waiting on a measure. He said that he had to know exactly before he could decide on a play. Well, maybe you have 2 plays ready, but to not have a play ready once the measure is done is ridiculous.