Return of Joe Gibbs - - Update

I want to add one more thing. Sometimes I get the impression that Skins fans are more concerned about style points than actually winning. Like you know, if Joe Gibbs comes back and we're still losers but he restores this sense of "pride", it somehow makes it all better. Hey we suck, but at least Gibbs is here. I couldn't care less who's here, I just want this team to win and I'm not convinced that Gibbs wouldn't end up being more of an impediment than actually moving the ball forward in a meaningful way.

I can tell you this, if Gibbs comes back, in any capacity, the pressure will be unbelievably high. The fans will expect instant results. No five or three year plan to right the ship. That's the downside to bringing Gibbs back, in my opinion.

I think that you are right about that.

I beg to differ. Gibbs was here for four years and most definitely had say in personnel decisions and the direction of the organization. As far as I'm concerned, he's just as complicit as Snyderatto. That too is reality.

Did you even read my post. First sentence I said "I don't think anyone is implying that." In reply to Beenseven post, " Joe Gibbs cannot escape blame for some idiotic personnel moves when he was Team President. For anyone to imply that everything he did was golden is denying reality."

I was saying (YES!) Gibbs cannot escape part of the blame for some of the really bad personnel moves. You are so bent on your rant to blame Gibbs you did not even notice I was agreeing with part blaming Gibbs for our mess. Wipe the steam from your glasses man.
My point was Gibbs brought back winning, playoffs and respect to the Redskins. That is all.
Snyderatto in less than two years since Gibbs left has crashed us into the ground. Personnel issues is not the only thing to blame here, it is also the leadership of our FO and the coaching mess that was created AFTER GIBBS LEFT. You know, the hiring a offensive coordinator first before hiring a HC. Then giving Zorn the HC position after the best candidates passed on the job, then later stripping Zorn of his man-hood. Talk about style points that takes the cake. Not to mention all the other stuff Snyderatto has done this year that do not need to be repeated.

I only wish that Gibbs had stood up for Gregg Williams when Vinny was throwing dirt on GW. As President of Football Operations, Joe's opinion would have carried greater credence with Snyder than Vinny's. If Gibbs does come back, I want it in more of a CEO role, where he puts the best GM in place, and leaves it to that guy to help select the coach and the future personnel. Gibbs 2.0 personnel record was spotty at best. Sean Taylor, and Chris Cooley from his first draft were home runs, but much that came thereafter in FA and the draft has vastly underachieved.

I want to add one more thing. Sometimes I get the impression that Skins fans are more concerned about style points than actually winning. Like you know, if Joe Gibbs comes back and we're still losers but he restores this sense of "pride", it somehow makes it all better. Hey we suck, but at least Gibbs is here. I couldn't care less who's here, I just want this team to win and I'm not convinced that Gibbs wouldn't end up being more of an impediment than actually moving the ball forward in a meaningful way.

I can tell you this, if Gibbs comes back, in any capacity, the pressure will be unbelievably high. The fans will expect instant results. No five or three year plan to right the ship. That's the downside to bringing Gibbs back, in my opinion.

I don't believe anybody actually feels that way about Joe Gibbs like you suggest, but that we understand the fact that if Gibbs does come back, Snyder will listen to him and no Vinny Cerrato....which is a good thing for the team. I'm not saying everything Gibbs touches turns to gold by any stretch, but comparing what he did while he was here to what happened before his second tenure and after his second tenure is worlds better.

Hey we dont need Gibbs back. He was a great coach, and thats al i am going to say about that. If Gibbs comes back that will probably be a license to keep all the idiots that we have now. Like VC and much of the coaching staff. We need a GM that is well thought of, that will clean house and start over.

Just curious, what has anyone heard recently about JG returning anyway? No offense to the author of this thread, but isn't it time to move on and bury any notion of JG coming back? Besides, he'd be nuts to come back to this wreck.

I only wish that Gibbs had stood up for Gregg Williams when Vinny was throwing dirt on GW. As President of Football Operations, Joe's opinion would have carried greater credence with Snyder than Vinny's. If Gibbs does come back, I want it in more of a CEO role, where he puts the best GM in place, and leaves it to that guy to help select the coach and the future personnel. Gibbs 2.0 personnel record was spotty at best. Sean Taylor, and Chris Cooley from his first draft were home runs, but much that came thereafter in FA and the draft has vastly underachieved.

Gibbs had already stepped down at that point. That's why we were looking for a new HC to begin with.

Joe apparently did not want Vinny when he came back and it was at Danny's insistance that he accepted him. He also said that his choice for his successor was Greg Williams as that was the first thing he did (went to Buffalo on Snyder's plane) when he became the coach of the Redskins in 2004. Gibbs has a pretty good idea of how to build an organization, I only wish Danny had not thrown it all away!

Joe apparently did not want Vinny when he came back and it was at Danny's insistance that he accepted him. He also said that his choice for his successor was Greg Williams as that was the first thing he did (went to Buffalo on Snyder's plane) when he became the coach of the Redskins in 2004. Gibbs has a pretty good idea of how to build an organization, I only wish Danny had not thrown it all away!

So if Gibbs came back, do you think Danny will suddenly take his advice and recommendations? \

Just asking an honest question here.

Joe apparently did not want Vinny when he came back and it was at Danny's insistance that he accepted him. He also said that his choice for his successor was Greg Williams as that was the first thing he did (went to Buffalo on Snyder's plane) when he became the coach of the Redskins in 2004. Gibbs has a pretty good idea of how to build an organization, I only wish Danny had not thrown it all away!

Got a link for that?