The line is quite offensive right now

I think the line can be dramatically improved in one offseason. We have some parts already. Dock is fine. I think Mike Williams could be an effective guard with his size and pass protection ability and Levi Jones may still have something left in the tank (we will know by the end of the season). One or two effective free agents and two good draft picks and we can be right where we need to be.

Mike williams is not an effective gaurd. Levi Jones might be an adequate band aid to one position. Two good draft picks with one to two good free agents is too much to bank on. We can't naturally assume we will hit on our players that we choose. Too many "what ifs" and not enough time to develop chemistry. It seems to be a one in a hundred shot. Realistically we can get an adequate O-line next year if we disregard all other positions, but would be only semi-fixing one of many problems.

Pocket$ Straight:

If Williams and Jones are so competent, how come 32 NFL teams allowed them to languish in a state of idleness for several years? Are you telling me that no team in the league faced serious problems with the competency of its OL in the last three years? Or maybe the Skins' FO was the only organization smart enough to track down these lost souls?


These guys were unmitigated busts as high draft pick. Now MAYBE they have reformed some of their habits such that they MIGHT become serviceable NFL players. But to see these guys turning into foundation pieces for an NFL team probably requires a visit from the Skins' Fairy Godmother.

Pocket$ Straight:

If Williams and Jones are so competent, how come 32 NFL teams allowed them to languish in a state of idleness for several years? Are you telling me that no team in the league faced serious problems with the competency of its OL in the last three years? Or maybe the Skins' FO was the only organization smart enough to track down these lost souls?


These guys were unmitigated busts as high draft pick. Now MAYBE they have reformed some of their habits such that they MIGHT become serviceable NFL players. But to see these guys turning into foundation pieces for an NFL team probably requires a visit from the Skins' Fairy Godmother.

I don't think he was saying they would build around them as much as those guys may be able to maintain a spot for a year or two as young draft picks are brought in.

A good example of rebuilding an o line in 1 year is our rival pokes; a few years ago they overpaid Leonard Davis, a career underachiever at OT, and moved him to guard. They picked up Mark Colombo & he resurrected his career as their RT after he was pretty much a bust 2nd rounder in chicago. They already had a good LT (penalties aside) & C (shotgun snapping aside). Their LG spot has been a problem w/Kosier et al, but they have been pretty solid as a unit, great run blockers at least. Sure they've had troulbe in pass pro v. the better pass rushers, but they transformed that unit quickly & have had some explosive offensive years since.

I know few some QB's ..........rodgers, philip rivers and roetlisberger. who can still pass it even with a bad oline.
too bad JC does not have their ability.

SPOT ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Big Ben won the Super Bowl with one of the worst lines in football. Ben was a 1st Round draft pick!!!

SPOT ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Big Ben won the Super Bowl with one of the worst lines in football. Ben was a 1st Round draft pick!!!

So was JC and Ramsey before him.

So was JC and Ramsey before him.

True...just have a real GM pick our next one!

I keep going back and forth on JC right now, half of me wonders if he's just so worried about the OL right now it's hurting his whole game. The other half of me says he needs to stand strong and make the throws despite of the pressure.

But honestly if you look around the league, anytime a QB faces heavy and consistent pressure, eventually he's going to fold, I don't care who you are.

I feel the same way. I'm teetering on the fence about his performances. I think part of the problem is obviously the O-line but other QB's only have 3-7 sec. to get rid of the ball also. I see him not picking up where the blitz is coming from in obvious situations, I see him throwing the ball too late to the receivers forcing them to try to catch the ball behind them, he gets scared and throws the ball too soon when the receiver is not expecting it ie; two players getting hit in the helmit, checking down too soon when there is open receivers down field.

I'm not trying to bash him, I was one of the fans who thought he might work out since he did so well the first 8 games last yr, but he leaves me wondering what he has that would make any team want to keep him. What I see is if the receiver has not come to a complete stop, facing him, ready to catch the ball, with no defender with in 10 yrds JC doesn't like to throw the ball. Not sure if it's cause he's afraid to throw an interception or if he has trouble hitting moving targets. If we keep him the off season needs to be utilized trying to hit those moving golf targets. LOL.

I find it hard to hate on Bugel when the talent simply isn't there. He's not a miracle worker.Well, I sort of understand what he's trying to do, but if the argument is that a coach is responsible for putting players in a position to succeed, it's hard to argue that he's doing a good job.

You have Heyer, a decent RT who the team is trying to turn into a LT with little success. You have Rinehart, who is riding the bench for no really good reason, while Montgomery plays (terribly). You have Dockery and Rabach, who are the status quo at LG, and C, the common links on a bad line. And how much of the blame for Mike Williams should sit with him. Mike's been decent given the expectations, but that's not helping us win ball games.

Bugel shouldn't be expected to fix all the problems that are ailing us, especially when the backs are missing so many blocks, but this line is no better than it was 4 weeks ago, and that's a problem.

I think JC's play last night was way more offensive than the offensive line.

The fact of the matter is we can get good tackles in the 2nd round and quality Centers in the 4th. On top of that we need to bring in real top tier Free Agents and I mean the type of guy that's at the same level Randy Thomas was when we brought him in. No more of these Jermey Bridges of the world. No I want a real quality Free Agent that's going to give us a run similar to Thomas. Not Tackles or Centers that everyone agrees are good. You'd be selecting players who other, smarter teams passed over for whatever reason. Doesn't mean you won't hit, just that the chances hover more around a coin flip instead of a sure thing.

Quarterbacks, on the other hand, if you can tell the good ones from the bad ones, you can pick up a good one in the late second or third round. Whether or not they'll be a top ten "talent" depends on whether you're successful on those OL picks or not.