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skinsguy 10-21-2009, 01:43 PM I just find it interesting that we're hearing from John Kent Cooke now that the 'skins are falling apart. It definitely comes out of the woodwork!
I think football itself has become way too commercialized. It seems like the constant rule changes has changed the game completely.
I always like to give the benefit of the doubt to people I don't know personally, but it's hard to like a guy like Dan Snyder. Seems like the only guy that has ever said anything good about him was Joe Gibbs. Probably because Snyder worshiped Joe. I would love for someone like Joe Gibbs to own the team, because we all know he would hire in the right guys in the right positions and build the team the way it should be built.
skinsfan69 10-21-2009, 02:03 PM I'm not going to defend Snyder at all, he is what he is. But would we be that much better off with John as owner? I'm really not sure. The Redskins as we knew them died with Jack.
I feel for what happened to John, but c'mon, his discontent for Snyder seems to be a cover up for the real issue, the fact his Dad passed him over and made it difficult for him to retain the team.
Um yes we'd be MUCH better off. We'd have a qualified football man running the show, who doesn't undermine the coach and bring in a Bingo caller to run the offense, there never would've been a hiring of a college coach who didn't want to practice when it's cold and raining, there never would've been a hiring of a coach with no OC or HC experience. I could go on and on. Say what you want about Norv but he knows how to run a professional NFL offense. Leader of men? Hell no. But I'd much rather have him as my coach than Zorn.
SmootSmack 10-21-2009, 02:09 PM Um yes we'd be MUCH better off. We'd have a qualified football man running the show, who doesn't undermine the coach and bring in a Bingo caller to run the offense, there never would've been a hiring of a college coach who didn't want to practice when it's cold and raining, there never would've been a hiring of a coach with no OC or HC experience. I could go on and on. Say what you want about Norv but he knows how to run a professional NFL offense. Leader of men? Hell no. But I'd much rather have him as my coach than Zorn.
You're calling John Kent Cooke a qualified football man? Based on what, being the son of the owner?
Norv is a joke as a head coach. He's no better than Zorn. Chargers won the division last year...at 8-8. He's 2-3 this year.
skinsguy 10-21-2009, 02:21 PM I guess one thing John would probably have going for him is that he probably wouldn't have fired Charlie Casserly. Not that he was as great a GM as what BB was, but still worlds apart from Vinny C.
skinsfan69 10-21-2009, 02:27 PM You're calling John Kent Cooke a qualified football man? Based on what, being the son of the owner?
Norv is a joke as a head coach. He's no better than Zorn. Chargers won the division last year...at 8-8. He's 2-3 this year.
No John Cooke was not a qualified football man but neither was his father. That's why Casserly and Bobby B. were here. To handle the football side of things. The only owners that are somewhat football men are Jones, Davis and maybe Richardson.
Let me ask you this...and again I don't think much of Norv as a HC. But what is the problem w/ San Diego? It's their defense. The defense has just been terrible, partly cause of injuries...to Merriman and J. Williams, but some of it is performace based. That's not his side of the ball is it? It's his responsibility cause he's the head man and he'll take the fall for it, but as someone who can run an NFL offense I'll take Norv over almost anyone in the NFL.....and especially Jim Zorn or Steve Spuirrer
SmootSmack 10-21-2009, 02:42 PM No John Cooke was not a qualified football man but neither was his father. That's why Casserly and Bobby B. were here. To handle the football side of things. The only owners that are somewhat football men are Jones, Davis and maybe Richardson.
Let me ask you this...and again I don't think much of Norv as a HC. But what is the problem w/ San Diego? It's their defense. The defense has just been terrible, partly cause of injuries...to Merriman and J. Williams, but some of it is performace based. That's not his side of the ball is it? It's his responsibility cause he's the head man and he'll take the fall for it, but as someone who can run an NFL offense I'll take Norv over almost anyone in the NFL.....and especially Jim Zorn or Steve Spuirrer
Fair points on the first paragraph.
As for the second, Norv has made some seriously questionable play calls in recent weeks. Draw to LT on 4th and 2 at the end of the game against the Ravens. Almost the same situation near the goal line the other day, but to Sproles instead.
I think he's a bit overrated as an offensive coordinator. But anyhow, this was mainly about Norv as a head coach in which case I think he's one of the worst.
freddyg12 10-21-2009, 02:48 PM Wow, this has turned into a romancing of the Norvelle era! Never thought I'd see that, things are really bad here when people wish Norv came back.
skinsfan69 10-21-2009, 03:52 PM Wow, this has turned into a romancing of the Norvelle era! Never thought I'd see that, things are really bad here when people wish Norv came back.
I don't think anyone wants Norv Back. I just personally think he can run an offense better than Zorn.
tryfuhl 10-21-2009, 08:00 PM Eventually we have to stick with a coach. The coach should show competency of course, but if every coach got canned for 2 bad years we wouldn't have your jimmy johnsons, etc of the nfl world
Daseal 10-21-2009, 10:50 PM How are those grapes, John? Sour?
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