Should Snyder listen to his players?

That was a good read. It sickens me to think of the success we've been missing out on over the last decade. If we could only match up a solid GM with Snyder's willingness to spend and desire to win....

It's pretty amazing that someone who supposedly wants to win more than anything just can't get out of his own way.
Sometimes it takes a team or business to almost fall apart before the boss or owner can see how flawed their thinking really is.

No sir! A owner should never listen to his players, except in things that don't envolve the game. If Rocky McIntosh wants to do some kind of "feed the children" program, that's something else. The owner should go to the GM, see what's going on, and trust his assessment of the situation. If the players are going to fraternize with the ownership, then there's no use in having a GM or a coaching staff. That's one of the big problems with this organization to begin with.

yup, simple chain of command. This is one thing DS can really be faulted for; playing chess w/Lavar, hangin w/Portis. I even remember a reporter saying that after a game Bruce Smith went to the danny in the locker room to complain about his lack of playing time.

Correct me if I am wrong, but prior last week it seemed like most the blame fingers were pointed at the players and Zorn. There seemed to be less blame given to the FO, until last week. I am not trying to absolve anyone or try to lay more blame on any given group, I am just saying the players may have spoken up to try and even out the blame.

Blame the FO for what? For hiring a bad coach and selecting poor players?

By saying that the owner and the FO have failed, these players are, in effect, adding to the blame being heaped on the coach and players. Do you get my point?

Now, I assume that Rogers and Hall think they're two of the good players - not like those other guys, their teammates. Well, what did they do when they had the opportunity to make huge plays for this team? They failed to do so is the correct answer.

Carlos "Hands of Stone" Rogers has had several opportunities to make huge interceptions this season but he didn't. What would it have meant to the team if Rogers had caught the Manning pass that hit him in the hands on the Redskins first defensive series of this season?

And don't forget all of his drops during the previous season. Why didn't that motivate him to improve his ball skills? I wonder how many passes he caught during the off-season, if any? People who live in glass houses...

Then there's Hall who has made some big plays but failed to stay at home on a naked bootleg or tackle a slow QB short of the first down on a play that could have clinched the game at Carolina. Hall looked like a mom trying to keep her toddler off the escalator at the mall. Delhomme won that battle (not that Hall put up much of a fight) because he wanted it more than Hall wanted it. If you don't think that was a soft play, just try to imagine what Sean Taylor would have done to Delhomme in that situation. People who live in glass houses...

How do you think their comments went over with their teammates? I think not well.

yup, simple chain of command. This is one thing DS can really be faulted for; playing chess w/Lavar, hangin w/Portis. I even remember a reporter saying that after a game Bruce Smith went to the danny in the locker room to complain about his lack of playing time.

Bruce Smith did worse than go to Dan Snyder, he (and Fred Drasner) used to go to Snyder's father and had Snyder's father berate Dan Snyder for not seeing to it that Smith got more playing time

I agree. If they want Zorn to stay on as their coach dont talk about winning, do it. If they win everything will work out just fine. The problem is these players appear to be much better at talking about what they need to do than actually doing it.

I have embraced your same thought process for some time now. It gradually becomes unbearable to hear basically the same players week-in and week-out come on post game interviews saying we're not doing this, not doing that but never correct what it is they're not doing.

I've come to the conclusion maybe too much was expected from a team we've all admitted from time to time was deficient in areas neccessary to bring about the desired result. We've been forced to rely on back-up players with both limited experience as well as abilities to play vital positions of what needs to be strength if you expect to be successful. Back-up players in football are equvalent to relief pitchers in baseball, they only have so many plays in them, savor a difference and they would be starters. It's just not reasonable to think there won't be considerable drop-off when having to resort to back-up players.

Should Snyder listen to his players? For me there are many ways to look at that question without coming up with what I would consider a definative answer. I think one should always listen, it's just a matter of how much credence he should gives to what he's listening too.

Bruce Smith did worse than go to Dan Snyder, he (and Fred Drasner) used to go to Snyder's father and had Snyder's father berate Dan Snyder for not seeing to it that Smith got more playing time

Are you kidding Smoot? This sounds so unprofessional and Mickey Mouse it's not even funny. :doh:

Bruce Smith did worse than go to Dan Snyder, he (and Fred Drasner) used to go to Snyder's father and had Snyder's father berate Dan Snyder for not seeing to it that Smith got more playing time

You've got to be kidding me. Ugh. Deep, deep dysfunction.

Are you kidding Smoot? This sounds so unprofessional and Mickey Mouse it's not even funny. :doh:

Sometimes some players gather the wrong impression by thinking they're friendly with the owner...Bruce Smith, LaVar Arrington and now Clinton Portis. I'm always mindful of that old saying "If you play with a puppy he'll lick you in the face".

Sometimes some players gather the wrong impression by thinking they're friendly with the owner...Bruce Smith, LaVar Arrington and now Clinton Portis. I'm always mindful of that old saying "If you play with a puppy he'll lick you in the face".

......or pee on your leg. Either way, he needs to act more like an owner than a fan. It is possible to be both but seperate the two.

Are you kidding Smoot? This sounds so unprofessional and Mickey Mouse it's not even funny. :doh:

Not kidding. I mean I'm not around the team much anymore, but I was there a lot from 1998-2002 and Snyder is much better off with Dwight Schar and Fred Smith (especially Schar as I understand it) because he had a very weak ownership group surrounding him when he first took ownership (and part of it was that he simply had to, these were the guys with money).

I mean I didn't really encounter Gerald Snyder much. He definitely had a close connection to certain players, especially Smith. Drasner, on the other hand, all he cared about was the star power of surrounding himself with NFL players. He was the brash one really.