Should Snyder listen to his players?

One thing that I have to give to Dan's side is that basically he has been tried and convicted of being a pompous, cretanic, uncaring bastard, etc on the basis of?????
Anybody had any direct contact with him?
He may be, but to my knowledge, nobody here can.....legitimately substantiate it

I have no idea what is manners are like...I don't think it makes any difference. Kraft may be the biggest jerk on the planet for all I know (I don't btw) but he knows how to be a very good franchise owner. Snyder's ownership, by any honest account, is a disaster. His manners are not more or less irrelevant but his decision-making is critical.

Even if all those things were true and more about Snyder I wouldn't care. I wouldn't even mind Snyder running the player personnel operations and fan club. If the team just played at a descent/respectable level on the field. Other then a few moments under Gibbs II was there brief accomplishment. But Snyder & Ceratto always manage to run the team back into the ground again. His unwillingness to hire a good Gm and let him run the team is what makes fans hate him. Not his exterior or behavior.
Just win baby. The fans will love you again....warts and all.

For every game the Redskin lose right now, Snyder is feeling it big time. These articles and player comments in the press. The team losing to the worst teams in the NFL. Redskins a laughing stock in the media. You better believe this is stressing him. Maybe it is what he needs so he learns to delegate to professional football men. Time will tell if continues to make an ass of himself or he digs himself out.

Excellent post man! I tend to disagree on Snyder's reaction, or lack thereof. But overall you really wrap the whole idea of a football franchise into a nice paragraph.

I have no idea what is manners are like...I don't think it makes any difference. Kraft may be the biggest jerk on the planet for all I know (I don't btw) but he knows how to be a very good franchise owner. Snyder's ownership, by any honest account, is a disaster. His manners are not more or less irrelevant but his decision-making is critical.
I really was not singling you out, but DS has recieved 40 lifetimes full of BS about his character from people that do not have any personal knowledge of him. He may deserve it, but AT LEAST it should come from actual knowledge.

That was a good read. It sickens me to think of the success we've been missing out on over the last decade. If we could only match up a solid GM with Snyder's willingness to spend and desire to win....

It's pretty amazing that someone who supposedly wants to win more than anything just can't get out of his own way.

I really was not singling you out, but DS has recieved 40 lifetimes full of BS about his character from people that do not have any personal knowledge of him. He may deserve it, but AT LEAST it should come from actual knowledge.

I do think you're bringing up a good point. DS does get a lot shit he doesn't deserve but if we were 5-0 right now he could be the biggest prick a-hole in the world and nobody would care. Problem is when we lose everyone piles on, fair or not. We always hear that DS just wants to win, well so do we, trouble is he's not going about things the right way to reach that goal. His track record over the last decade speaks for itself.

Even if all those things were true and more about Snyder I wouldn't care. I wouldn't even mind Snyder running the player personnel operations and fan club. If the team just played at a descent/respectable level on the field. Other then a few moments under Gibbs II was there brief accomplishment. But Snyder & Ceratto always manage to run the team back into the ground again. His unwillingness to hire a good Gm and let him run the team is what makes fans hate him. Not his exterior or behavior.
Just win baby. The fans will love you again....warts and all.

For every game the Redskin lose right now, Snyder is feeling it big time. These articles and player comments in the press. The team losing to the worst teams in the NFL. Redskins a laughing stock in the media. You better believe this is stressing him. Maybe it is what he needs so he learns to delegate to professional football men. Time will tell if continues to make an ass of himself or he digs himself out.
I would certainly agree regarding the "No GM" deal, as it appears that is the truth but I said, his character is constantly under assault as well. Something that cannot be accurately contrived without actual personal knowledge......

I really was not singling you out, but DS has recieved 40 lifetimes full of BS about his character from people that do not have any personal knowledge of him. He may deserve it, but AT LEAST it should come from actual knowledge.

I hear you and I def am sorry to come out defensive. To his credit, according to many, Snyder has been a benevolent billionaire, giving substantially to charity and whatnot. I don't know the numbers myself.

...it's sort of parallels various discussions about coaching styles. I think a number of truly great coaches are probably hard-ass types w/o much for manners. Maybe they don't get along well w/ everyone but sure seem to command respect from their roster and it shows on the field, every game, every down. Coughlin comes to mind immediately but I could name a dozen. Well, I'll take that guys over the nice coach who can't lead men any day of the week, just as I'll take a jerk owner who knows his business over the nice one who can't get out of his own way (to borrow the perfectly suited phrase from GMScud) when it comes to putting a winner together. Watching lousy football week in and week out has just gotten to be too much :(

One thing that I have to give to Dan's side is that basically he has been tried and convicted of being a pompous, cretanic, uncaring bastard, etc on the basis of?????
Anybody had any direct contact with him?
He may be, but to my knowledge, nobody here can.....legitimately substantiate it

The majority of the criticism leveled towards Snyder is not on a personal basis, it has more to do with the way he has run the team for the last decade. He could be the greatest guy in the world for all we know of him on a personal level, it's the football decisions he makes that has for a long time rubbed people the wrong way.

Hell no! If the players were doing there job on the field we wouldn't have a thread of this nature, and YES of course Zorn does take a fair share of that responsibility. Bottom line in my opinion Zorn was no where close to being ready for a HC candidate. Do the players run the team OR the coach, we know who owns the team the man that pays the bills. I want a STRONG leader (HC) at the helm that runs the team not vise versa, something I strongly believe (Even as nice a guy as Zorn appears to be) Zorn is not a leader a men.

If it's my team the last people I would be listening to are the underachieving players (And how many are really wanting Zorn to be around..? Unnamed sources?). That I'm paying!

The players need to just play, put up OR shut-up, and stop listening to the media (Blaming the media as I read yesterday, what a joke). Whoever the Coach ends up being needs to Coach, apparently old school style with this group. While the owner pays the bills and the ultimate decision on who he decides to Coach this team is up to him. I wouldn't blame lil Danny boy one bit if he fired Zorn, its a tough business. Based on production. The SKINS 4-10 in the last fourteen, with ZERO signs of improvement, if anything we are in reverse. Thats the kind of production that will not be acceptable in DC OR just about anywhere else.

Great read, my beef is with VC. Is he not the acting GM? Snyder is a passionate fan just like pretty much all of us, he needs to realize that you build a franchise not buy one. I hope after this year that he has learned that lesson.