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SmootSmack 10-11-2004, 08:01 PM i liked the dood doing the mike check/comedy hour... he gave props to someone there for being able to get really good weed. very random!
ha, I remember that. He was talking about a friend of mine, Dave Satchell, local sports cameraman. Looks like Michael McDonald of the Doobie Brothers.
Gmanc711 10-11-2004, 08:05 PM What about me gman? I've been ripping Brunell for weeks
You know I gave the credit for it, I will again this week. I'm just so upset about it right now, I'm just trying to stay away because I hate badmouthing someone from our team, but I really am pissed about Brunell. Replacing him could have a huge effect on our offensive production, and only replacing him.... for example, think about it like this....
If you put say Priet Holmes in Portis's spot, hes going ot do just as bad becasue there are no holes. Does anyone think having a Holmes or Tomlinson back there would make a difference?
If we had say Issac Bruce and Torry Holt as wideouts instead of Coles and Gardner, does anyone really think there would be a difference. Maybe a catch or two, but in the long run theres no difference.
If we had a whole new offensive line, does anyone think it would make a difference in whats going on right now? The only postion that would matter is right tackle, but if we replaced the whole offensive line, we wouldnt be that much better.
Now riddle me this... If we put Peyton Manning in at Quarterback in our system. Is it just me, or do people think we would move the ball a hell of alot more effectivley than we are now? I think we do. I think changing that one postion, changes the entire game for our offense. Now dont misquote me, Ramsey is NO Petyon Manning, but hes young, and has a cannon and can air it out so teams respect our run. When Gibbs ( I'm really trying to stay far away from bashing him or what he thinks, because I belive in him 100% outside of the qb issue ), but when Gibbs is trying to defend Brunells ability to air out the ball, on a pass in which he underthrew his target and was picked off... thats telling me somthing. I dont know, everyone has their own takes. If we lose to Chicago, and Brunell plays like sh*t and stays our QB, so help me god.
That Guy 10-11-2004, 08:47 PM i agree... qb is the weakest link for total offense, and a good passing game would cover up the run blocking on the O line... if we had a moss or TO i think it would make a difference... but thats 2 WRs out of hundreds in the league...
SUNRA 10-11-2004, 10:15 PM Actually, if you ask the reporters who've watched both Ramsey and Brunell in practice (myself included) there's no comparison in arm strength. Brunell's passes simply don't get to the receivers as quickly as Ramsey's, and his deep passes are generally late and underthrown. Deep passes have got to lead the receiver, and drop in over the coverage. Brunell doesn't have the arm to do that anymore. At least, not as much as Ramsey does.
What I have heard over and over again is how strong Ramsey's arm is. How many long passes over 45yds are thrown on an average in one game? 2,3 or 4? The reality is the long pass is a low percentage play. What I think is being over looked in Ramsey is his lack of leadership, instinctive knowledge about reading defensive blitzes and his immobility. Ramsey also stuggles at getting the plays off in time. I'm certain that with this poor offensive line Ramsey will not be successful at this point. If he understood what he was doing in practice, he would be starting right now.
SUNRA 10-11-2004, 10:23 PM You know I gave the credit for it, I will again this week. I'm just so upset about it right now, I'm just trying to stay away because I hate badmouthing someone from our team, but I really am pissed about Brunell. Replacing him could have a huge effect on our offensive production, and only replacing him.... for example, think about it like this....
If you put say Priet Holmes in Portis's spot, hes going ot do just as bad becasue there are no holes. Does anyone think having a Holmes or Tomlinson back there would make a difference?
If we had say Issac Bruce and Torry Holt as wideouts instead of Coles and Gardner, does anyone really think there would be a difference. Maybe a catch or two, but in the long run theres no difference.
If we had a whole new offensive line, does anyone think it would make a difference in whats going on right now? The only postion that would matter is right tackle, but if we replaced the whole offensive line, we wouldnt be that much better.
Now riddle me this... If we put Peyton Manning in at Quarterback in our system. Is it just me, or do people think we would move the ball a hell of alot more effectivley than we are now? I think we do. I think changing that one postion, changes the entire game for our offense. Now dont misquote me, Ramsey is NO Petyon Manning, but hes young, and has a cannon and can air it out so teams respect our run. When Gibbs ( I'm really trying to stay far away from bashing him or what he thinks, because I belive in him 100% outside of the qb issue ), but when Gibbs is trying to defend Brunells ability to air out the ball, on a pass in which he underthrew his target and was picked off... thats telling me somthing. I dont know, everyone has their own takes. If we lose to Chicago, and Brunell plays like sh*t and stays our QB, so help me god.
If Brunell has you heated over his performance, then Ramsey might give you a heart attack unfortunately. There is nothing that you can point to in Ramsey's overall playing that would justify him replacing Brunell. Sure I'm dissappointed in Brunell's game on Sunday and it was his worst game, but he had us in every game until the end. Dropped passes won't help. Penalties won't help. And an weak offensive line will not help. Ramsey would have been sacked 15 times by now. Please don't call for Hasselbeck after just one game that Ramsey starts in please.
Gmanc711 10-11-2004, 10:28 PM Brunell hasent had us in any game. No Member of our offense has had us in any game. Our defense is the the only thread that this team is hanging from. Like I said, I really hate to throw it on Brunells shoulders, I really do, but hes the only one that I can justify replacing. Quite frankly, I think Ramsey has more ability than he does to get the job done, from what I have seen. Now I dont see everything, and neither does anyone else, but its obvious somthing isnt working. Brunell cant throw the longball, he cant throw any ball. He is missing wide open recivers, hes just playing really really bad. He looks like the " emergency " punter quarterback on most teams. I blame all 4 of our losses on our offense and soley on our offense, and I think having Brunell as our QB is a big reason we cant run the ball. But thats just me.
SUNRA 10-11-2004, 10:39 PM What does a QB have to do with a running back's inability to get a 100yds. How many back handoffs has Brunell given Portis? Maybe 1 in five games. Your'e focusing on one player and you're not looking at the total offense that sucks. The long pass is a low percentage play because of the threat of double coverage. If Brunell is struggling with the long pass, then Ramsey has f#%ked up on the short pass. He has overthrown passes and thrown INTS in the endzone, something Brunell has not done this year. The TD to Cooley wasn't an easy feat. The reality is there are no real Redskins on offense. I mean a player with the fire like Smoot and Arrrington on defense. Coles and Gardner are as consistent as the Florida ballots. Ramsey couldn't come back in one game, now how do you think he's going to come back three games down?
Gmanc711 10-11-2004, 10:44 PM What does a QB have to do with a running back's inability to get a 100yds. How many back handoffs has Brunell given Portis? Maybe 1 in five games. Your'e focusing on one player and you're not looking at the total offense that sucks. The long pass is a low percentage play because of the threat of double coverage. If Brunell is struggling with the long pass, then Ramsey has f#%ked up on the short pass. He has overthrown passes and thrown INTS in the endzone, something Brunell has not done this year. The TD to Cooley wasn't an easy feat. The reality is there are no real Redskins on offense. I mean a player with the fire like Smoot and Arrrington on defense. Coles and Gardner are as consistent as the Florida ballots. Ramsey couldn't come back in one game, now how do you think he's going to come back three games down?
I respectfully disagree. I am looking at the big picture of the whole offense that sucks. Mark Brunell cannot throw the football well, to anyone. Teams realize this, and that is why they go with very basic coverage, and run schemes to stop the run. That is why the Quarterback has everything to do with Portis's inability to gain yards. No one respects our pass, that is why we can not run. Until we make teams pay for not putting enough of their gameplan on our passing game, they are going to be able to stop the run. Personally, I feel that Ramsey gives us a better chance for our passing game to succeed. I feel he has a better arm, he will take the chances that Brunell is not willing to take. I understand that he is going to throw picks, and some of them might be costly. However, I feel the risk is worth the reward. Brunell hasent done anything to win us any football games, and he has done everything to help us lose them.
joecrisp 10-11-2004, 10:53 PM What I have heard over and over again is how strong Ramsey's arm is. How many long passes over 45yds are thrown on an average in one game? 2,3 or 4? The reality is the long pass is a low percentage play. What I think is being over looked in Ramsey is his lack of leadership, instinctive knowledge about reading defensive blitzes and his immobility. Ramsey also stuggles at getting the plays off in time. I'm certain that with this poor offensive line Ramsey will not be successful at this point. If he understood what he was doing in practice, he would be starting right now.
But here's the thing, SUNRA: we're lucky if Brunell gets away ONE deep pass per game. He refuses to throw the deep ball, because he knows what will happen-- exactly what happened Sunday night. Why? Because he doesn't have the arm strength or the confidence to put the ball where it needs to be on the deep pass.
Let me ask you this: how many times did Mark Rypien throw the deep pass in a game? Two? Three? Four times? And he put it right on the money most of the time, because he had the arm-- and the confidence-- to get it there. Because Ryp was able to complete two or three deep passes a game-- often for game-changing touchdowns-- defenses were forced to respect the deep routes, which opened up things not only for Byner and the running game, but also for Monk and the tight ends on the short and intermediate routes.
It's also important to note that arm strength is critical not only for the deep pass, but also for those short and intermediate routes, where timing is critical. If the pass is a split-second late, it can be the difference between an incompletion or a first down.
As for leadership, instinctive knowledge, reading blitzes and mobility, how much have those attributes-- which I assume you're attibuting to Brunell-- helped the Redskins offense with Brunell at the helm? How many times has Brunell wasted timeouts this year because he couldn't get the right play off in time? How many times has he refused to throw the ball because receivers weren't wide open? How many times has he thrown 5 yard passes when 10 yards were needed?
People refuse to believe that Gibbs has anything to do with the problems this offense is having, but I'll tell you this: Gibbs has stressed to Brunell the importance of protecting the football, so much so that Brunell has followed that directive to a fault. Gibbs defends Brunells' performance every game, saying that Brunell "is doing exactly what we've asked him to do." Well guess what? It's not working. This offense is not moving the football-- and it's not for a lack of weapons-- it's for a refusal to use them for their intended purpose. There's no aggression in this offense, it's as meek as a lamb, and just as surely as a lamb thrown into a den of lions, this offense is being devoured by opposing defenses.
SUNRA 10-11-2004, 11:13 PM Brunell's performance against Dallas must have been a fluke. No INTs and 325 passing yards. He threw more than 2 passes over 40 yds. to Gardner. Even with these numbers our running game was horrible. My biggest problem with the running is, we don't know where Cartwright is, and Betts has not been able to carry the ball consistently on 3rd and short downs and thus the unsuccessful first down attempts.
Turnovers have decided the outcome for at least 3 out of 4 losses this season. Brunell has thrown to 2 INTS in 5 games. Fumbled 3 times in 5 games. Look at the teams in our division that have successful offenses. The running backs are averaging 100 yds. per game. Kurt Warner' arm isn't strong, and McNabb is beating teams throwing overtop to TO. I thought the run established the play action pass?
The real problem has been in the play calling. Pitching out to Betts on 3rd and 1 is just unacceptable. Having Portis handle 99% of the hand offs is suicide. Portis's turnover's taken his confidence and he needs to have a substitute on certain downs. This has to change or our running game is finished.
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