Do you expect Zorn to be fired

As long as Jim Zorn is the HC, I, and I would hope most fans be behind him. Although I am not a fan of his work and what he has done here, he is still our coach. Although firing a HC mid season isn't a good idea, our situation calls for change. The lack of a sense of urgency is what is killing this team. I personally don't think Jim Zorn stands a chance at finishing the season due to the way Dan Snyder deals with HC's in the past that aren't named Joe Gibbs.

By the way I am new here!

Uh, can I sue for name infringement? Kidding, welcome to the board.

Part of this decision is what you believe makes a good football team. I've always believed that with a just few "superstar" exceptions, the talent level on most teams is just a hair difference. If you were to rate all the MLBs on the NFL rosters from 1 to 64 (assuming every team has just for right now) throw out the top 5 and the bottom 5 and I bet there isn't much difference in physical talents. A couple tenths of a second difference in a 40 yrd dash, couple less reps in the bench press, etc.. The key difference in how a player plays and if a team wins is coaching. Granted there are superstars who can rely on amazing talent alone, (I don't care how you coached Barry Sanders he was just going to run on you all day) but for the most players the training and the system are key.


Look at the team that has had the most success in the last 10 years, the Pats. They won the Superbowl in 2001, 2003, and 2004. Look at the starting lines up from the 2001 game vs the 2004 game only 5 starters out of 22 were the same. They didn't win because of talent per se they won because of coaching and "the system". Belichick is not a genius at the draft. From 2004-2008 the Pats had 21 picks in rounds 1-4, (these are guys who you expect to make the team, I didn't count the whole draft), out of those 21 less then half, 10 are on still on the team. That's not horrible, that's not great either.


All I am saying is that coaching and "the system" beats the heck out of "waking up the players" or firing someone to be the scape goat. If Danny boy fires Zorn now, there is no chance to do the types of things that you do in training camp and Preseason that makes a great football team. Just wait till the season is over, show the door to Zorn and throw a boat load of money at a PROVEN HEAD COACH.

zorn had that same fire last year at 4-1...look at him now
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stay medium!!!

I don't blame Zorn. I blame Cerrato and Snyder for the whole mess. And boy what a mess they've made for themselves. Kills me thinking about wasting our 2 #2s last year on non existant WR's. We coulda had atleast 1 OL. I say let B Mitch coach em up.
If Danny Smith got the interim head coach spot I wouldn't mind seeing B. Mitch talk to the special teams units. I doubt Snyder would be a fan of that idea though, Portis would throw a fit, etc

Part of this decision is what you believe makes a good football team. I've always believed that with a just few "superstar" exceptions, the talent level on most teams is just a hair difference. If you were to rate all the MLBs on the NFL rosters from 1 to 64 (assuming every team has just for right now) throw out the top 5 and the bottom 5 and I bet there isn't much difference in physical talents. A couple tenths of a second difference in a 40 yrd dash, couple less reps in the bench press, etc.. The key difference in how a player plays and if a team wins is coaching. Granted there are superstars who can rely on amazing talent alone, (I don't care how you coached Barry Sanders he was just going to run on you all day) but for the most players the training and the system are key.


Look at the team that has had the most success in the last 10 years, the Pats. They won the Superbowl in 2001, 2003, and 2004. Look at the starting lines up from the 2001 game vs the 2004 game only 5 starters out of 22 were the same. They didn't win because of talent per se they won because of coaching and "the system". Belichick is not a genius at the draft. From 2004-2008 the Pats had 21 picks in rounds 1-4, (these are guys who you expect to make the team, I didn't count the whole draft), out of those 21 less then half, 10 are on still on the team. That's not horrible, that's not great either.


All I am saying is that coaching and "the system" beats the heck out of "waking up the players" or firing someone to be the scape goat. If Danny boy fires Zorn now, there is no chance to do the types of things that you do in training camp and Preseason that makes a great football team. Just wait till the season is over, show the door to Zorn and throw a boat load of money at a PROVEN HEAD COACH.

Having Tom Brady and a good offensive line doesn't hurt either.

Gibbs isn't the man, he had his second shot did the best he could with it and ended it on a sour note. Gibbs is a great coach and a class act all the way, but he won during his first stint with the best owner and best FO in the business backing him up, not to mention he was in pre cap and FA eras. Coach Gibbs wasn't a Bobby Beathred!!!! Simply put, Gibbs didn't have the positive atmosphere here the second time around to work his magic. Gibbs probably could come back to another team with a good FO and do some damage, but not here. At least he got to the playoffs with this dysfunctional FO. Just imagine what it could of been like with a FO that knew what it was doing?
I don't know, I see him in more of a supervisory role.. and I hate to say it, but without ST's murder we prob don't make the 2nd playoffs because we didn't have the spirit.. I'd train every playoff game since our SB to get ST back, not that it's been many.

I think that he needs to keep his focus on his NASCAR team, seemed like he would come back around after that season ended. The guy was a notoriously long day worker just with the Skins, then he was leading his racing team too, I'd be very inclined to believe that he was a bit distracted by that.

I made the same point in an earlier thread last week. Someone responded, much to my amazement by saying "resources" or not, it Zorn's responsibility to get the job done. I'm still having a hard time trying to figure that one. Zorn SHOULD be able to make bricks out of straw..........or else.
Teams that seem to be worse than us are beating us. So either their coaches are making it work.. or ours are doing more harm than good. Take it as you wish

Part of this decision is what you believe makes a good football team. I've always believed that with a just few "superstar" exceptions, the talent level on most teams is just a hair difference. If you were to rate all the MLBs on the NFL rosters from 1 to 64 (assuming every team has just for right now) throw out the top 5 and the bottom 5 and I bet there isn't much difference in physical talents. A couple tenths of a second difference in a 40 yrd dash, couple less reps in the bench press, etc.. The key difference in how a player plays and if a team wins is coaching. Granted there are superstars who can rely on amazing talent alone, (I don't care how you coached Barry Sanders he was just going to run on you all day) but for the most players the training and the system are key.


Look at the team that has had the most success in the last 10 years, the Pats. They won the Superbowl in 2001, 2003, and 2004. Look at the starting lines up from the 2001 game vs the 2004 game only 5 starters out of 22 were the same. They didn't win because of talent per se they won because of coaching and "the system". Belichick is not a genius at the draft. From 2004-2008 the Pats had 21 picks in rounds 1-4, (these are guys who you expect to make the team, I didn't count the whole draft), out of those 21 less then half, 10 are on still on the team. That's not horrible, that's not great either.


All I am saying is that coaching and "the system" beats the heck out of "waking up the players" or firing someone to be the scape goat. If Danny boy fires Zorn now, there is no chance to do the types of things that you do in training camp and Preseason that makes a great football team. Just wait till the season is over, show the door to Zorn and throw a boat load of money at a PROVEN HEAD COACH.

Nice post. Especially the 2nd paragraph, Patriots' draft success seems to be constantly inflated

Come on dude. He's head and shoulders better than Zorn. He's been coaching offensive lines for over ten years. And been an assistant head coach for.....................6 years or so. Unlike Zorn, all of this has been at the pro level. And look what he did to the Steelers offensive line when he was there. He had those guys playing smash mouth ball better than anyone in the league. He goes to Arizona, who had a horrendous line, and turns them around into one of the better lines in the league. Warner got killed in St. Louis, but he has time to throw in Arizona. You know why? Because of Russ baby! Bring in Russ!
Made Big Ben the most sacked QB?

Warner had a horrible o-line too

not sure what you were watching

There are some things that are Zorn's fault though. Case in point...calling timeout on 4th down and justifying it by saying "well we weren't sure where they were going to spot it. Would it be 4th and 2, 4th and 5, 4th and 7." That's weak. Even if the spot is questionable, it's never a matter of 5 yards. That's ridiculous
Hell let JC call that one. He knows what he can hit, kinda