Smoke Signals: The Mike Holmgren rumors get louder

I don't think Gruden is the right fit here..and besides he's pretty much won with established teams who were "close". I'm not sure how close we are.

If they brought Holmgren in, I wouldn't mind seeing Zorn stay. But you're right Matty, it has to be one or the other with Holmgren. Not GM and coach.

Here's a good timeline of Holmgren's time as GM in Seattle

TIMELINE: HOLMGREN AS GM (1999-2002) (http://blogmedia.thenewstribune.com/media/Holmgren%20GM%20Timeline.htm)

It is so much more than drafting though. I'd argue our selection of talent hasn't been poor anyways. Perhaps our lack of focus on the lines is misguided but nothing about Holmgren says he focuses on the lines all that much either. He seems like a more lateral move to me.

I counted 8 OL and 7 DL drafted by the Seahawks from 1998-2002, the same years that Holmgren served as GM. Thats a little over 1 per year.

If we go back to the Redskins since 2004 we find 3 OL and 5 DL selected by the Redskins leading to an average of less then 1 per year, in fact it's hovering near .5 lineman drafted per year when you split up the different sides of the ball. I know no one is arguing that the Redskins draft a bunch of OL but I definately see Holmgren's track record as an improvement. Plus the crazy thing is while Holmgren was GM the Seahawks kept all their picks.

Keep in mind I still want a real GM to work with Holmgren but at the same time Holmgren serving as GM isn't the end of the world.

Yeah but what about serving as both GM and coach? His last three years in that dual role the Seahawks had two losing seasons and missed the playoffs all three years.

I'd gladly take Holmgren over Shanahan though if we're talking GMs.

I'm not worried that Holmgren is going to spend a 3rd round pick on a Maurice Clarett

I look at it like this:
Shannahan should be our next head coach, because he's know for his great running schemes, which is what the redskins have been known for, for years. If he were to go to dallas, then we'd be screwed IMO, cause they have a great OL and Romo I think is a great bootleg QB.
Holmgren would be my next choice, but A) we already have a WC offense which doesn't suit us if you ask me. B) If he went to Dallas, I don't think they'd be that good, simply because I don't see Romo as a WC QB. They'd be much scarrier and deadlier with shanahan running the show down there than holmgren.
Gruden is just a worse version of Holmgren. So he'd be my next choice after the first two.

Here's a good timeline of Holmgren's time as GM in Seattle

TIMELINE: HOLMGREN AS GM (1999-2002) (http://blogmedia.thenewstribune.com/media/Holmgren%20GM%20Timeline.htm)

All I saw was this.

August 19, 2002 - Veteran QB Mark Rypien is signed after Dilfer suffers a knee injury.


Guy is money :D


However I guess that Holmgren is more proned to burnout right now at 61 then was when he was in his 50's. So like I said bring in Holmgren and get him a quality GM to help him run the team then get a restraining order against Daniel Snyder.

I'd gladly take Holmgren over Shanahan though if we're talking GMs.

I'm not worried that Holmgren is going to spend a 3rd round pick on a Maurice Clarett

Plus Shannahan never had the foresight to sign Mark Rypien.

is Cowher out of the question. IF so why? What do you guys think we need the most. A Defensive or Offensive minded coach?

I don't think Gruden is the right fit here..and besides he's pretty much won with established teams who were "close". I'm not sure how close we are.

If they brought Holmgren in, I wouldn't mind seeing Zorn stay. But you're right Matty, it has to be one or the other with Holmgren. Not GM and coach.


Can you think of a good reason why Holmgren would want to come here seeing the treatment Zorn is getting, except for the fact it will probably pay him well?

is Cowher out of the question. IF so why? What do you guys think we need the most. A defensive or Offensive inded coach?

He'll be out of question because he wants full control over the front office and Vinny and Dan want there words of advice over his. Plus we need an offensive minded coach, because or defense really isn't that much of a problem, our offense is the one that can't score in the redzone