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Slingin Sammy 33
09-29-2009, 04:13 PM
Hey, I'm not dumb or a hard headed Republican. He's had his chance. I was willing to give him that but it's clear that it's not working. Time to change gears.THAT'S IT! It's the damn hard- headed Republican's fault! :)

SmootSmack
09-29-2009, 04:13 PM
Don't the acquisitions of Jason Taylor, Albert Haynesworth and what appears to be the gross overpayment of DeAngelo Hall tend to indicate that nothing has really changed with regard to ownership and its "impetuous nature" ??

I might agree with Taylor. But I wouldn't say so with Hall and especially not Haynesworth.

But anyway, when I said "impetuous nature of Fred Drasner" I was referring specifically to Norv's in-season firing which I can tell you had Drasner's imprint all over it. I mean it was 100%, in my opinion, the right decision to fire Turner. Just not at that moment.

I think as fans we have to simply accept that Snyder will always have a level of involvement. Not buying his merchandise really isn't going to change that. And he will probably always seek, to an extent, the advice of Vinny Cerrato. Cerrato is like a member of the family.

saden1
09-29-2009, 04:44 PM
You know it's bad when Matty is ripping on Snyder.

CRedskinsRule
09-29-2009, 05:17 PM
It's been 10 years. The time for learning has passed. We should be getting better results. But I do agree that LA isn't exactly the guy to be selling the message. What with being all bitter and totally biased. Maybe B Mitch would be better. Oh wait..

I had a bad month at work in July. No one really knew overall, but August, things took twice as long to fix or get right. I work in a fairly quick turnaround industry. I couldn't even tell you what problems I was facing in January because they have long been resolved and all is good.

Football teams don't operate that way. Snyder came in Brash and gonna do it his way. 10 seasons is like 10 weeks to my field. Maybe he's learned some lessons, maybe alot, as Smoot said, he has changed several of his advisors. He took a gamble on Zorn, either by design, or, more likely cause his past was a prohibiting factor to a lot of prospects. I guess my point is for us fans it has been a LONG 10 + years, but from a perspective of learning and changing, we are only talking a few repetitions or off-seasons for learning. I would personally hope that Snyder's time of learning never ends, and that he continually learns nuances and changes that make him a better owner.

MTK
09-29-2009, 06:08 PM
You know it's bad when Matty is ripping on Snyder.

Not really ripping as much as trying to say a different approach is needed.

mooby
09-29-2009, 06:34 PM
What if it's not Snyder anymore as much as it is Vinny and Zorn? What if Snyder is just the guy who gives a little input like, "hey I'm down for the AH signing, just tell me how much to put on the check" and it's Vinny saying, "I've analyzed the roster and I think we need a massive dt to free up space for our lb's and d-line." Then what? I think Zorn is probably as good as gone after the season but what if it's Vinny making all the bad personnel decisions, aka giving Hall 56 mil and making an impulse trade for Jason Taylor? Granted I don't think it's gotten to the point where Hall is completely not worth it yet but he's certainly headed down the wrong path.

I would be fine with Snyder running the franchise if it turned out the problem was just Vinny making bad personnel decisions and Zorn's bad coaching. That's just me though.

skinsfan_nn
09-29-2009, 08:39 PM
I might agree with Taylor. But I wouldn't say so with Hall and especially not Haynesworth.

But anyway, when I said "impetuous nature of Fred Drasner" I was referring specifically to Norv's in-season firing which I can tell you had Drasner's imprint all over it. I mean it was 100%, in my opinion, the right decision to fire Turner. Just not at that moment.

I think as fans we have to simply accept that Snyder will always have a level of involvement. Not buying his merchandise really isn't going to change that. And he will probably always seek, to an extent, the advice of Vinny Cerrato. Cerrato is like a member of the family.

Even after Dan wakes up and finally fires Vinny...?

Really do you think Vinny will really be around much longer? I know they are attached at the hip and all, but all good and not so good things eventually come to an end.

I see a divorce coming with Vinny and the Danny/Redskins, after or maybe before the hiring of the next HC. I don't believe any of the 5 or 6 SB winning coachs available, that Dan will go after will work with Vinny. It is fairly well publicized in most league circles or for that matter just in general, Vinny is a joke.

tryfuhl
09-29-2009, 08:43 PM
You found tryfuhl! :rofl:
hahahahaha

I had many similar looks during the game.. shock, disbelief, anger, etc

I happened to be surrounded by skins fans though... what a game to get row 4 seats behind the bench too :(

tryfuhl
09-29-2009, 08:52 PM
You know there are plenty of ex-Skins out there that don't have anything negative to say about Snyder. In fact they probably outnumber those that are always railing on him.
your average everyday player didn't see much out of him other than a check and occasional fist bump, but I see what you're saying

tryfuhl
09-29-2009, 09:13 PM
It's been 10 years. The time for learning has passed. We should be getting better results. But I do agree that LA isn't exactly the guy to be selling the message. What with being all bitter and totally biased. Maybe B Mitch would be better. Oh wait..
I don't know many people who don't have a former employer they'd be ready to bash in a heartbeat.

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