Gmanc711
10-11-2004, 01:11 AM
Our offense has given up more TD's than our defense.
Should Ramsey Start Against Chicago?Gmanc711 10-11-2004, 01:11 AM Our offense has given up more TD's than our defense. Sheriff Gonna Getcha 10-11-2004, 01:12 AM The line was even worse last year when Ramsey was in. Also, why is it Portis' fault that Brunell isn't running the passing game effectively? I think the running game hasn't been effective because our passing game is inept. Defenses stack 9 guys in the box because they don't respect Brunell. Not many backs are going to be successful when you've got 8 or 9 guys in the box on every play blitzing the crap our of us because we can't throw deep. SUNRA 10-11-2004, 01:12 AM I knew this was comming. Sorry, but this last loss is all Brunell. And when the fumble for a TD occurred, that was Betts blocking, you cannot blame that one on Portis. Guess you are going to blame Portis, for when he got hit behind the line when Ed Reed came in on the safety blitz too? If Portis worked for you at 250,000 a game what would your response be to him? No. I'm blaming him for his poor execution in reading the defense and hitting the hole hard. His runs are no way near what he did in Denver. Even the sorry ass Giants know that Tiki is carrying there team on offense. Three fumbles have led to 2 TDS from Portis. Brunell has thrown 1 INT this year and the forced fumbles were clearly on the raggedy line. illdefined 10-11-2004, 01:12 AM You know I've read a lot of threads about Brunells performance instead of looking at the consistent disgusting performance of Portis. The excuses he has made and his failures has seriously damaged the offense because it has made our offense one dimesional. No running game, no passing game. We need a change at the running back position until Portis understands what he's suppose to be doing. couldn't disagree with you more 'Ra. Portis has been thrown into a meat grinder. literally. new system, new oline, new philosophy. i dont know if you were watching tonight, but what little offense we had was mostly Portis. ground AND air. ALSO. you probably didn't notice we used the I FORMATION this game! Cooley lined up as a fullback to lead block, as is best for what Portis does. now Cooley is a catching TE, and is LEARNING to block, period. much less from the fullback position. even LESS against the Ravens defense! so, we didn't get many yards. but he DID take the initial hit off Portis, and we got NO FUMBLES from the previous week's one back system. i dont know how anyone can doubt Portis's ability OR heart. in pass protection, he throws himself into EVERY block (and it WORKS). as a short yardage guy, he throws his tiny body into non-existent holes (which obviously doesnt). one thing Portis can't do is gain 50lbs! nor lead block for himself or make holes for himself!! the offense is broken everywhere, Portis's numbers are a symptom, NOT a cause. now lets get back on topic.. Sheriff Gonna Getcha 10-11-2004, 01:13 AM These same wideouts didn't seem to have a huge problem getting open last year. Have you considered that Brunell just isn't reading and throwing well? SUNRA 10-11-2004, 01:15 AM The line was even worse last year when Ramsey was in. Also, why is it Portis' fault that Brunell isn't running the passing game effectively? I think the running game hasn't been effective because our passing game is inept. Defenses stack 9 guys in the box because they don't respect Brunell. Not many backs are going to be successful when you've got 8 or 9 guys in the box on every play blitzing the crap our of us because we can't throw deep. Eight or nine in the box is what most teams have in the NFL. So what's new? Priest Holmes did it. Lee Suggs did it. You mean to tell me Portis couldn't step it up after all the shit that Ray Lewis was popping ? MTK 10-11-2004, 01:15 AM Heres the agrument I have for not getting it done on the ground. We have no blocking, plain and simple. When theres no blocking on the ground, there are no holes and no yardage. Now while some things are still the fault of Portis/Playcalling, I just couldnt see a play where I could be like... WOW Portis sure messed up on that play. On the other hand, I just found myself getting pissed at Brunell about 30 times tonight. Now while I'm sure half of those werent his fault, he did f**k up alot. Even though the protection sucked, he still had the chances to plant his feet and get rid of the football... but he didnt. I saw so many opprotunities for Brunell, and just didnt see the same for Portis. My thoughts exactly. Everyone wants to blame Portis or Brunell, but think about it this way, they're both struggling in fact the entire offense is struggling. Could it be it all starts up front? Could be. Sheriff Gonna Getcha 10-11-2004, 01:16 AM Brunell has thrown 1 INT this year and the forced fumbles were clearly on the raggedy line. Check that he's thrown 2 INTs (1 for a TD). Didn't Ramsey play behind a offensive line and backs that were letting guys crunch him on just about every down last year? Besides, Brunell is the mobile guy Ramsey isn't. So shouldn't Brunell be able to move around AND throw? I've seen him move around, I just haven't seen the throwing on the run part yet. If you can't throw on the run, I'm not sure how invaluable his mobility is. SUNRA 10-11-2004, 01:22 AM These same wideouts didn't seem to have a huge problem getting open last year. Have you considered that Brunell just isn't reading and throwing well? Oh, yes they did. I don't have to remind you of the sacks from last year. Part of holding on to the ball stems from waiting for the WR's to separate. Coles was hurt most of last year and if it were not McCants we would have looked a lot like this offense. Sheriff Gonna Getcha 10-11-2004, 01:23 AM Eight or nine in the box is what most teams have in the NFL. So what's new? Priest Holmes did it. Lee Suggs did it. You mean to tell me Portis couldn't step it up after all the shit that Ray Lewis was popping ? Other teams are putting 8 or 9 guys in the box, just not on EVERY down. Do you believe Brunell is effective? Or is it just that Coles, Garder, the line, Cooley, Portis and everyone else on offense is ineffective? You've said that the line hasn't done its job, Portis deserves to be benched, and the wideouts aren't getting open. BUT, Brunell isn't getting any of the blame. Some other questions: #1. Do you really think Portis should be benched? #2. Do you really think our wideouts aren't getting open? #3. Do you think our offensive line and blocking backs were much better last year? #4. Do you think Brunell has been throwing well? #5. Do you think Brunell is scaring D-backs with his ability to throw deep? #6. Do you think a QB is capable of making a good offense look bad or vice-versa (i.e. Mike Vick and Chad Pennington)? |
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