Campbell's numbers dont lie

Pennington's career is likely over, and besides having an absolutley shot, raggedy throwing arm that never had strength to begin with, i dont see how he would make the difference here. The team needs the throw downfield. Chad is a great QB bu he never had the arm even in his prime before all the injuries....


Yeah, never understood why Chad was somewhat of a hot commoditiy after his stint with the Jets. Alex Smith would be an intriguing FA move though. I would get Chase Daniel back, keep JC if possible, dump Collins and bring in Smith if we don't draft a QB. JC is a backup QB at best now.

The free agent class is Chad Pennington, Daunte Culpepper and a bunch of nobodies, but I could see any of the following players released:

Matt Hasselbeck
Mark Bulger
Kellen Clemens
Tavaris Jackson
Alex Smith
Shaun Hill
Billy Volek
Brodie Croyle
Byron Leftwich
Jim Sorgi
Chris Simms

Of course, the only two players on that list that would represent an upgrade over Campbell are Hasselbeck and Pennington...who are both injury risks.

I think we'll address QB in the draft, but not in the first round.

What a mess.
I read an article recently that had JC as the second best FA QB after Orton, who's probably going to sign before FA.

That's an ugly list.
I would rather stick with JC and fix the OL.

*BTW-I doubt the Vikes release T-Jack.
After they signed Rosenfels they still named T-Jack the No.2 QB because he out played Sage in the preseason.
T-Jack might end up being their QB after Favre retires.

Yeah, never understood why Chad was somewhat of a hot commoditiy after his stint with the Jets. Alex Smith would be an intriguing FA move though. I would get Chase Daniel back, keep JC if possible, dump Collins and bring in Smith if we don't draft a QB. JC is a backup QB at best now.

Woah woah woah. Alex Smith? Why? He's been a colossal bust thus far. Yeah, he had one good game against the 21st ranked D. Nothing really intriguing about him IMO.

Its a losing battle. You will not convince the believers. No argument will make them see. Just be content with the fact that the people who watch the film for a living see what you are seeing. Jaws called it all night. Greg Cossel has made the point ad nauseam. On this board Slingin' Sammy has it in black and white in his review. The old adage is "the eye in the sky doesn't lie" not "numbers are truth." If you can't see that Campbell is frankly scared to make passes then you are not watching. You can make all of the excuses you like, the guy refuses to throw into tight windows. I have said it before and Sammy said it nicely in his game review, without the ability to make quick reads, play with timing, and throw into tight windows you are a backup quarterback at the NFL level. That is what we have with Campbell. Next man.

Dude, Jaws both praises and critisizes Campbell, Cossel has been effusive breaking down Campbell passes. As have Brian Billick, Phil Simms. Just this week Collinsworth on Doc Walker, Joey T on the Sports Reporters, John Ritchie on ESPN have all said that JC is a good QB playing behind a suspect OL.

Lol, I like Sammy's reveiws too but he's no more an expert then i am.
You guys share the same opinion but its still just your opinion.



Forget the stats, forget comparing him to any other quarterback and really isolate Campbell's play.

I'm not denying that JC misses open receivers or checksdown.
But rather the idea that JC does it more then other QBs and that is how a judgement is made.

from the last game that Campbell was responsible for then let me know - turnovers, missed touchdowns/big plays, and awful pocket presence (leading to undue pressure and sacks).

Awful pocket presence leading to undue pressure? Really? You think JC is causing the pressure and sacks? Okay.
LoL, JC pocket presence or lack thereof at the start of the game is due to previous games lack of protection.
Although JC had pressure the fumble was his fault the onus is always on the ball carrier to protect the ball.
Missed 'big' play? Dude, every QB misses some plays, they pointed out McNabb missing a 'big' play.

I think everything on offense is predicated on and ran through the quarterback. That's why I really believe that the most important thing is to fix that position first,

OL brotha OL it starts right there.

You know one thing about Alex Smith. Yes he's been a bust so far but he's also been through five offensive coordinators in five seasons. I'm just saying we've used that as an excuse for Campbell...

You know one thing about Alex Smith. Yes he's been a bust so far but he's also been through five offensive coordinators in five seasons. I'm just saying we've used that as an excuse for Campbell...Smith was also a very young 21 when he made his first start, so you could reasonably assume the light to go on at a later date, but in all likelyhood, he's never even going to make it past the adequacy stage.

Of course, he's still only 25, and Jason Campbell will be 28 on the 31st of December, but I have to think that Campbell has already accomplished more here than Alex Smith will ever get a chance to in his career.

We don't need to spend high draft picks on linemen though, we just need to develop some of our young linemen (and add some more-namely OTs) and let them gel together. I think a franchise QB can help an OL more than a franchise OL can help a QB

We don't need to spend high draft picks on linemen though, we just need to develop some of our young linemen (and add some more-namely OTs) and let them gel together. I think a franchise QB can help an OL more than a franchise OL can help a QBI agree with this. If there's one major flaw in Campbell's development since the 6-2 start (and there's probably been a few), it's that he hasn't been particularly easy to protect.

Part of me thinks that he's given the current OL plenty of chances to get their act together, and he probably has, but there's another part of me that thinks one of the reasons that the Redskins are struggling to settle on a starting five is because Campbell's footwork from under center are so inconsistent. It seems like he's become increasingly difficult for the OL to protect, which is one of the way that player regression will manifest.

Of course, if the backs would do a half decent job in blitz pickup, we probably wouldn't be having this conversation.

The other point is: all the franchise-ness in the world wouldn't help Mike Williams or Jason Fabini be an adequate long-term tackle.

You can live with the so-called replacement level OT, but there's some guys who just shouldn't be on your roster. The Saints are getting it done with Jermon Bushrod at LT, and he can't be any better than Heyer. But the other four guys on their line are excellent, and more importantly, haven't missed a start in quite some time.

Smith was also a very young 21 when he made his first start, so you could reasonably assume the light to go on at a later date, but in all likelyhood, he's never even going to make it past the adequacy stage.

Of course, he's still only 25, and Jason Campbell will be 28 on the 31st of December, but I have to think that Campbell has already accomplished more here than Alex Smith will ever get a chance to in his career.

Personally I've never been too impressed with Smith, and was pretty stunned when the Niners passed on Rodgers for him.

Still, in the interest of fairness, I felt it should be pointed out he has had to deal with various coordinators