Campbell's numbers dont lie


warriorzpath
10-28-2009, 06:03 PM
You can't agree that many of Campbell's mistakes are directly tied to the lack of protection and time to make decisions?

Gruden mentioned about JC's "happy feet", but can you blame him with as many hits, mostly immediate hits that he's taking with this joke of a line TRYING to block for him?

Last season, he had a weak line in the second half, but it wasn't this bad. He threw the fewest INTs of any full-time starting QB last year, even with a broken-down line in the second half. He's clearly capable of playing mistake-free football if he has even a little talent around him...which he doesn't this season.



Thanks for all of the incredibly-stimulating commentary, SOUL-SKINS.

You can back up your opinion of Campbell with your presentation of the stats.

I'll back up my opinion of Campbell with analysis expressed by respected former quarterbacks, coaches, and general managers. And I'll add that my opinion of Campbell was made before them (respected former...).

Now what is your opinion of who is more credible.

TurnYourBack
10-28-2009, 06:52 PM
Good point.

GTripp0012
10-28-2009, 07:00 PM
You can back up your opinion of Campbell with your presentation of the stats.

I'll back up my opinion of Campbell with analysis expressed by respected former quarterbacks, coaches, and general managers. And I'll add that my opinion of Campbell was made before them (respected former...).

Now what is your opinion of who is more credible.Isn't this like saying, "what's more credible, the interpretation of these results, or the opinion of others who are interpreting the same results."

The correct answer is: the evidence is exactly the same. The results are only obvious if you take the big picture approach, which neither side here is doing. You and Buster are taking parts of the picture, and presenting it so that it looks like each of you is right.

For what it's worth, he's doing a much better job, simply because he's not deferring to second or third sources. His arguments are quite disputable, but certainly not by saying, "television tells me otherwise".

Your admission that your mind was already made up, while necessary for full disclosure, more or less kills your objectivity.

Trample the Elderly
10-28-2009, 07:52 PM
Campbell's numbers dont lie. Neither does the turf in his helmet.

T.O.Killa
10-28-2009, 10:54 PM
He sucks and should be cut now. Yes the Oline is horrible the worst in the league, but Campbell sucks. Cut him now and move on. Let Collins start and go from there.

jsarno
10-28-2009, 11:12 PM
Campbell's numbers dont lie. Neither does the turf in his helmet.

Or the numerous times he missed WIDE OPEN players down field with no one in his face...or the amount of times he had time and fumbled.

Dirtbag59
10-28-2009, 11:15 PM
I don't know about his numbers but I cringed during the game when the play called for Campbell to throw downfield and he hesitated. Maybe no one was open and he made a good decision but sometimes I feel like we have to much trouble getting the ball down field. On the flip side if you rebuild the line and get the running game going we can easily be a playoff team with Campbell as an above average game manager. God knows we have the defensive personnel to pull it off. Bottom line though, we need to get back to playing Redskins/NFC East football. This attempt to be a 60-40 passing team like the Eagles is not working.

jsarno
10-28-2009, 11:17 PM
Sanchez' passing numbers won Offensive Rookie of the Year for Vince Young. And he didn't even have the assistance of a hot dog.

If Campbell ate a hot dog, he'd instantly be the best QB in the division.

Please correct me if I'm wrong, I don't recall if it was you or another poster, but didn't you want Sanchez? 52.8% comp, 6 tds, 10 ints, 7 fumbles. I was dead set against him, and it appears he is proving me right.

itvnetop
10-28-2009, 11:43 PM
Please correct me if I'm wrong, I don't recall if it was you or another poster, but didn't you want Sanchez? 52.8% comp, 6 tds, 10 ints, 7 fumbles. I was dead set against him, and it appears he is proving me right.

8 of those picks were in just 2 out of 7 games. In five of those 7 games, he has a rating of 84.4, 101.1, 81.4, 87.5 and 114.0. The Bills' game (5 picks, 8.3 rating) seems like an outlier. I know you hate SC, but c'mon man... you're going to use this sample set to discredit a rookie?

GusFrerotte
10-29-2009, 12:19 AM
This discussion is getting lame real fast. JC's stats are padded with dink and dunk shit like Brunell had, or with garbage drives where the game is already out of hand(Lions, Eagles, his best games). I still want to know why JC fumbled two perfect snaps out of the shotgun vs the Lions. Bastard almost lost the ball both times and lost yardage. Perfect snaps mind you, hit him in the hands also. Bastard has the mechanics of a rookie or a first year starting QB. Him missing wide open men means his field of vision is limited to that of a rookie or first year starter as well or his concentration level is insufficient to get the job done. Can't blame the O line all the time for his sacks or pics either. JC could throw for 3,500-4,000 yards this season and we can still end up 3-13, so his stats are junk. I could understand if folks outside of Redskindom were high on the kid, but most fans I talk with of other teams think JC is junk. Defending the guy is OK, but defending him to the max when his stats are garbage time yardage, when the defense is in a nickel or dime prevent type mode is delusional.

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