Campbell's numbers dont lie


Hog1
09-28-2009, 09:56 PM
FIRST, we need to play the young guys and SEE what we have?

skinsfan69
09-28-2009, 09:58 PM
First sentence OK, second sentence dead on, third sentence is not accurate. He's NOT a bright spot. If he stepped up and won us a game, then yes, I'd say he was, but he disappeared when we needed him most. Don't know why Campbell's lease is sooooo long when others have had no leash at all.

I think changes need to be made if the offense keeps up the lack of scoring. If that means putting in Collins then so be it. He gets the ball out quicker so maybe that wouldn't be such a bad idea.

tdSKINS1
09-28-2009, 10:00 PM
Thanks for posting this I have been saying this for a while. Even his stretch last year when he didn't throw an interception for a while. He led the NFL with the "least ints for a minimum of 500 passes thrown. But we will just run him off then he will come back to hunt us landing somewhere in the NFC. Write it down.

People say he doesn't have a quick release. You can't have a quick release when no one is open. You usually hold on the ball too long when no one is open not just because you like how it feels in your hand. JC can't read defenses. How do people know this? He is not a leader? He lead his team to a national championship in college. People just love to hate on this board. Any QB placed in this position would not produce. Maybe if he was a running Qb like Vick and that's only because they would balance out thing with rushing yards. By that meaning when no one is open they can run and when the o-line breaks down they can run.

Quote from Tony Dungy and I would think he knows more about football than all of us.

Dungy: "It's not always getting the best players. It's building a good team, building a team that everyone has confidence in, and, right now, they don't have confidence." My take: Harrison faced Campbell so his comments are telling. But Dungy is more accurate, that this is bigger than the quarterback. The Redskins can change the QB after this season as well as the coach. If the culture doesn't change, the future won't be much different.




He didn't lead Auburn to a National Championship. They got screwed and played my Hokies in the Sugar Bowl and won barely.

GTripp0012
09-28-2009, 10:02 PM
Rebuilding would have been a much more sensible option if we hadn't thrown a few billion dollars at Hall and Haynesworth. Now, since you are paying that money no matter what, I don't know how you rebuild at the same time.

If there's one thing that has frustrated me about the last five years of the Redskins, it's the complete dismissal of needing a 'Plan B' because of the undying confidence that 'Plan A' will work.

jsarno
09-28-2009, 10:04 PM
Didn't Brandon Lloyd last two years on this team? Now there's a guy who actually never accomplished anything.

We didn't rely on Lloyd though...he was a non factor while Campbell touches the ball on every offensive play. That's a really weak arguement.

skinsfan69
09-28-2009, 10:05 PM
FIRST, we need to play the young guys and SEE what we have?

Yeah I'm kind of wondering why Mitchell hasn't seen the field yet.

roth74va
09-28-2009, 10:05 PM
Great thread, Im glad that Im not the only one that feels this way. Of course playing QB, you are the first one that people "dog" when you lose, and the first one for "kudos" when you win. Some of the stats are padded because they came at trash time, but there have been alot of missed opportunities that could have helped the stats as well that havent been his fault. Im surprised that he is doing so well considering the horrendous playcalling, and the defenses inability to get off the field. The line is giving more time than last year, but still needs to improve so we dont miss those potential big plays.

If Campbell does get away, we will end up regretting it in the long run. The guy has steadily improved, and handled the chaos that is the Redskins like a true professional. I really feel like he could do much better with a better coach and more innovative playcalling.

GTripp0012
09-28-2009, 10:06 PM
When I was looking up Campbell's fourth quarter splits for research prompted by my comments earlier of this thread, I found out something interesting:

According to NFL.com, Jason Campbell did not make a single pass in the fourth quarter with the score anything greater than a 7 point game.

Of course, I don't know how NFL.com was counting the Giants, Ravens, and Steelers games, when that was actually the case, but it's been a little bit different for the Redskins to get down by more than 7 points twice in the first three weeks.

jsarno
09-28-2009, 10:07 PM
Funny how you'll go to the numbers until they don't support your argument. Then they are worthless.

Matty's using fact-based assertions and you aren't. You can't tell him he's wrong.

How are my comments not fact based? Am I mistaken at the fact that he disappears when we need him most? That he is no where to be found in the redzone? That he leads the league with 5 fumbles? Those are all facts sir. Saying that Campbell is a bright spot is NOT fact based. It's opinion based.

ps- when numbers actually prove a point, then they are good and worthy, when they are used to skew reality, they are not worthy. We both know numbers show things, but they don't show everything. Again...see Mark Brunell.

jsarno
09-28-2009, 10:08 PM
Rebuilding would have been a much more sensible option if we hadn't thrown a few billion dollars at Hall and Haynesworth. Now, since you are paying that money no matter what, I don't know how you rebuild at the same time.

If there's one thing that has frustrated me about the last five years of the Redskins, it's the complete dismissal of needing a 'Plan B' because of the undying confidence that 'Plan A' will work.

You are definitely right about that.

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