Campbell's numbers dont lie

He also has the most passing attempts in anyone in the group and the least TDs.

Again, It's not all his fault but it's pretty much the same shit that got Brunell run out of town.

Damn...good call. I just commented from reading the first post not reading the other 4 pages, didn't expect anyone else to bring Brunell up. Good job.

I do agree people need to get off his back already. Our problems right now run much deeper than who's playing QB. He's one of our lone bright spots so far.

First sentence OK, second sentence dead on, third sentence is not accurate. He's NOT a bright spot. If he stepped up and won us a game, then yes, I'd say he was, but he disappeared when we needed him most. Don't know why Campbell's lease is sooooo long when others have had no leash at all.

Okay say stats do lie. In the list that he mentioned by the OP which one of those QBs do you think is not a good QB?

They're all good. But their teams don't avergae 13 points a game either. Like I said. JC has to take some of the blame for that. But it's not all on him either.

First sentence OK, second sentence dead on, third sentence is not accurate. He's NOT a bright spot. If he stepped up and won us a game, then yes, I'd say he was, but he disappeared when we needed him most. Don't know why Campbell's lease is sooooo long when others have had no leash at all.Didn't Brandon Lloyd last two years on this team? Now there's a guy who actually never accomplished anything.

They're all good. But their teams don't avergae 13 points a game either. Like I said. JC has to take some of the blame for that. But it's not all on him either.I'd agree with you if I thought he shouldered some of the blame for the red zone struggles. But how many times has he missed a play in the end zone this year? I don't think he has.

First sentence OK, second sentence dead on, third sentence is not accurate. He's NOT a bright spot. If he stepped up and won us a game, then yes, I'd say he was, but he disappeared when we needed him most. Don't know why Campbell's lease is sooooo long when others have had no leash at all.Funny how you'll go to the numbers until they don't support your argument. Then they are worthless.

Matty's using fact-based assertions and you aren't. You can't tell him he's wrong.

So what's the solution? Get rid of all of them just to prove a point? Or try to separate the non-contributors from the ones who can help us win in the future?

I agree that keeping all hands on deck while trying to add different forms of talent is not leading to the place we want it to. But what should we change first?

In some ways, I feel like we could be staring at the 1993/1994 seasons all over again. We're old at some pretty pivotal positions, and getting old and ineffective at others. The rest who aren't old just aren't all that great.

And as much as I don't want this to be the case, it looks to me like those three second rounders from a year ago just aren't going to pan out.

This owner doesn't have the patience to go through a complete overhaul and rebuilding process. Instead, he keeps adding pieces to a core that's going to fall apart at some point anyway, and we never really get anywhere. And again, I maintain that the core just isn't very good.

I think it's time to blow the whole thing up.

I'd agree with you if I thought he shouldered some of the blame for the red zone struggles. But how many times has he missed a play in the end zone this year? I don't think he has.

He had a few dropped on him and he's also missed some guys that were open. Maybe not in the red zone but for some long pass plays. So yeah even though he completes a lot of his passes, his stats look good, we're not getting in the end zone. You can't win in the NFL with an offense that scores 13 points a game. That is just embarrassing.

In some ways, I feel like we could be staring at the 1993/1994 seasons all over again. We're old at some pretty pivotal positions, and getting old and ineffective at others. The rest who aren't old just aren't all that great.

And as much as I don't want this to be the case, it looks to me like those three second rounders from a year ago just aren't going to pan out.

This owner doesn't have the patience to go through a complete overhaul and rebuilding process. Instead, he keeps adding pieces to a core that's going to fall apart at some point anyway, and we never really get anywhere. And again, I maintain that the core just isn't very good.

I think it's time to blow the whole thing up.Alright, but even blowing the whole thing up never implies getting rid of 53 players in a single offseason.

So what do you rebuild first? A lot of teams start with the passing offense, but that's a weird situation for us because few teams that lose as consistently as we do have been able to have a source of passing offense each of the last five years (well, 2007 is debatable). So, do we start by tearing up the defense? The offensive line? The running game?

If we choose to rebuild, which seems like a reasonable option, I'm not even sure where we would begin. We don't have a lot of money tied up in our passing game, but that's been our only bright spot this year. And our receivers are, if nothing else, young.

He had a few dropped on him and he's also missed some guys that were open. Maybe not in the red zone but for some long pass plays. So yeah even though he completes a lot of his passes, his stats look good, we're not getting in the end zone. You can't win in the NFL with an offense that scores 13 points a game. That is just embarrassing.No, we need to score more than 13 PPG, but the truth is that the difference between 13 PPG and 19 PPG is just a play or two a game. And sometimes, that can be as simple as having no false starts, kind of like the Giants game.

The last two games, since Thomas got injured, procedure penalties have been kind of a disaster. The offense has regressed since week one and unfortunately, there's no end in sight. I think Campbell can pick up some of the slack, but we're a .500 offense in a best case scenario.