Campbell's numbers dont lie

Probably among the best things a Campbell-exit could end up being. If you're going to give away a guy who as done as much as Jason while his value is low, it makes sense to pick up another guy with low stock.

Leinart makes a lot more sense than either Cutler or Sanchez did from a cost perspective.

If you're talking about a one for one trade, while the only thing negative I could say (that I haven't already) is, why do I have to root for Mike Shanahan?

Well your guy Jon Gruden likes Leinart as well (liked him at least). But have we met a QB Gruden hasn't liked at some point?

Seriously though, I've had too many reputable sources tell me if Shanahan comes here two things he is very interested in are bringing his son Kyle here and making a play for Matt Leinart to think otherwise. The first step is, of course, Shanahan coming here. Which I don't have a problem with as long as he leaves that GM title behind

There was a thread on whether Romo as overrated and people said that he was good and they got a lot of production out of him compared to where he was drafted or not drated. Compare JC to other QBs and other players that were selected in the year he was drafted.

NFL Draft - 2005 NFL Draft Results - Round 1 (http://football.about.com/od/nfldrafthistory/a/2005draftresult.htm)

1. Alex Smith 49ers (sucks)
21. Matt Jones Jags (not even a QB anymore)
24. Aaron Rodger (Good QB - got to learn from one of the best)
25. Jason Campbell (drafted after he wont National Championship)
69. Andrew Walter, QB (mediocre)
85. David Greene, QB
106 Kyle Orton, QB Purdue (doing ok in Denver's system but not spectacular)
230. Matt Cassel, QB (did well in NE's system but not so good with KC - Learned from one of the best)

I can go on..but you get the point.

But how many posters have said you need to take the shot and maybe you get a PI off it, or if he had dumped it off, they would have screamed that his completion percentage is high because he dumped it off. Sometimes, a lot of times, JC is in a no win situation with his critics.

I think it's hard to blame JC for everything and say he's the whole problem when none of us have all the facts on every play of every down during any of the games. None of us know if Zorn is not giving him specific instructions as to what to do with the ball, or is he given leeway as to what he can do. I truly wonder if Zorn is trying to micro manage? I don't know. Could it be Zorn's scheme? We keep hearing how on some plays JC can change the play, and some plays they do not have a secondary play to change into which forces JC to run the play given even though he knows the play most likely won't work.

I know I have been negative about JC in the past, but my negativity is not a complete JC must go he sucks attitude cause I'm not privy to the issues I stated above. Kinda hard to blame the QB when his play caller sends in crappy plays, O-line breaks down, or WR's can't get seperation.

I just know I see other teams spreading out the opponents defense better, passes look too easy, WR's get seperation sometimes with 10 yrds or more, WR's on other teams coming back to the ball or making a play on a jump ball in double coverage and it appears our WR's are waiting for the ball to come to them (obviously not JC's fault).

I wonder if the plays that are working between the 20's are basically due to defenses having so much field to cover, but when we get down inside the 20's whatever plays were working between the 20's don't cause there's less room to work with. Zorn's duty is to find a way to spread the defense out better inside the 20's and he's not doing that.

Well your guy Jon Gruden likes Leinart as well (liked him at least). But have we met a QB Gruden hasn't liked at some point?

Seriously though, I've had too many reputable sources tell me if Shanahan comes here two things he is very interested in are bringing his son Kyle here and making a play for Matt Leinart to think otherwise. The first step is, of course, Shanahan coming here. Which I don't have a problem with as long as he leaves that GM title behindI'll admit that I think Shanahan is a good (great?) coach (share your fears about him as a GM).

I just think he's a dick. After having Gibbs here only 2 years ago, I'm not sure I could stomach his crap.

The Whisenhunt system developed under Cowher and derived of course from...the Gibbs system.

Thoughts on Leinart here? It truly could happen

To my uneducated eyes Leinart might be one of those qb's who wakes up with serious seasoning and has a much better second half of his career than the first half. He sure has the physical skills to bring it. Then again, maybe he won't wake up, and he'll always be, well, Leinart.

Perfect example is on his first photo where it looks like Campbell overlooked a wide open man on the sideline to throw into double coverage down the middle, it was a busted play (pressure from the backside caused him to step up, then pressure was coming from the right) and at the time of the throw there was no angle to make that throw based on JC's body position and the 3 defenders in the area. I am watching the Short Cut right now and this is a clear indication of the video telling a story that the facts don't back up.Just got to this play. You're exactly right. Devin DID clear all the linebackers and came open. Had Campbell taken the time to set his feet, maybe he would have seen him in behind the coverage. But the play was pretty much set up to go to Kelly with Devin as the third read, and I'm not shocked that Campbell never saw him. The progression definately broke down when Samuels got beat.

For one thing, he wasn't supposed to be open (and it would never have looked differently until he actually did). Detroit's SLB simply blew the coverage and turned him loose to no one.

For another thing, this isn't a play Jason typically misses. He missed this one, but still frames don't really do him justice.

what do the numbers say today?

what do the numbers say today?They are about on par with the guy making his first start.

And yeah, he was pretty inaccurate. 54.5% completion percentage isn't getting it done.

what do the numbers say today?

Campbell played a terrible game, but threw two TDs to win the game.

Campbell played a terrible game, but threw two TDs to win the game.

you are rightpeople won't see it that way tho