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GTripp0012 10-02-2009, 06:06 PM But how many posters have said you need to take the shot and maybe you get a PI off it, or if he had dumped it off, they would have screamed that his completion percentage is high because he dumped it off. Sometimes, a lot of times, JC is in a no win situation with his critics.Well, exactly.
I'm through every offensive play in the first half now (review comes tonight. Expect the offense prior to 9 pm) and every mistake Jason has made in this half is of the "pass was never, ever there" variety.
One sort of exception to the rule was the Anthony Henry near pick-six, which was because the Lions disguised their cover two coverage well, and Campbell just had no idea that Henry would do anything except follow Devin Thomas up the field. It's completely on Campbell, but then again, when you go up against Blache schemes in practice every day, you don't see that ever.
GTripp0012 10-02-2009, 06:08 PM I wouldn't be shocked to see Campbell starting in Arizona next year (assuming he's not starting here and KW has retired).
And if Mike Shanahan is our head coach I can almost guarantee you we will talk to the Cardinals about Matt Leinart. Shanahan really likes Leinart.
(If Gruden is the coach it's a more remote possibility)Campbell would be a perfect scheme fit in the Whisenhunt system.
And I like him in the WCO, but whereas Leinart is sort of a square peg there, Campbell's the prototype.
GTripp0012 10-02-2009, 06:12 PM Also in a game that the Lions actually won, isn't it fitting that DeAngelo Hall is having the first half of his life, and London Fletcher looks horrendous (to the point of getting benched for the remainder of the Lions third drive)?
SBXVII 10-02-2009, 06:13 PM And if you select 2-3 plays from any NFL QB's game you will see open receivers, missed reads and points left on the field. Not to call the poster a cherry picker, but he had an overall point he wanted to make and found some isolated video to support him. Also, without seeing the coaches tape it's impossible to accurately assess plays. From a TV camera angle you can't see what's happening in the pocket at the same time as seeing down the field accurately.
I agree with you and Matty. I'm not trying to say "Look I can prove JC sucks." I just know there has been comments for and against. This was a blog with pictures. I'll agree that it's hard to take 3-4 seperate plays and call him a bust, I'm not doing that. Teams are not going to show us their coach's film which I'm sure we all would love to see in order to make a fair judgement. But even if he did miss a WR down field open we are possibly left with out the finer details of what Zorn wants him to do or where to go with the ball and even if JC was able to see the whole field due to the battling on the lines in front of him.
SmootSmack 10-02-2009, 06:14 PM Campbell would be a perfect scheme fit in the Whisenhunt system.
And I like him in the WCO, but whereas Leinart is sort of a square peg there, Campbell's the prototype.
The Whisenhunt system developed under Cowher and derived of course from...the Gibbs system.
Thoughts on Leinart here? It truly could happen
dmvskinzfan08 10-02-2009, 06:15 PM Yeah I dunno, I've seen that thread too and it's awfully easy to take some screen caps and say hey, that guy is open, or this guy is. What the pics don't tell you is who was open when JC made the decision to throw, what the pressure on him was like, where he was in his progression, etc.
I've seen the thread too and shook my head. You can point out 3-4 bad plays. But take notice he is not showing the complete picture. As far as if Jason was being pressured and other factors. To pick out a few plays seems very suspect to say the most. I am sure people could do the same thing for Brett Favre but does than mean he is a bad QB? JC may have made some bad plays. But I think you probably could do the sme thing with most QBs in the NFL if you want to be selectively picking out bad plays or plays that can be made to look like bad plays. If he showed everything from JC to the receivers in one complete picture it would have had a greater impact. But still as I said this is only 3 or 4 plays. No QB makes perfect decisions 100% of the time.
dmvskinzfan08 10-02-2009, 06:22 PM Just for shits and giggles, I just spent 15 minutes googling and found threads on Bucs, Bills, Raiders, Browns, Rams, and Panthers forums discussing the possibility of getting Campbell next year. Unsurprisingly, most of the people in the discussion think Soup is a solid if unspectacular QB who works his ass off, isn't a diva, and doesn't make a ton of mistakes.
Perhaps more importantly, they almost all believe he's a steal who is undervalued because of where he plays and the constant chaos here.
I pointed it out in a earlier post. What team in the NFL is harder on their QB than we are? Pressure is pressure. But imagine having a whole team on your shoulders and hardly getting support from your fans. Even when you are improving game by game. I see JC putting up big numbers and a couple of TDs the next game. But I will guarantee someone will find something negative. Someone said JC wouldn't be the starter for another team if we let him go. I find that hard to believe because he is better than the bottom half of Qbs in this league and isn't a diva like Cutler and is coachable and has been very level headed and has worked his ass off. But that means nothing to some people.
The Whisenhunt system developed under Cowher and derived of course from...the Gibbs system.
Thoughts on Leinart here? It truly could happen
I don't think he is a Charlie Casserly type guy!
GTripp0012 10-02-2009, 06:27 PM The Whisenhunt system developed under Cowher and derived of course from...the Gibbs system.
Thoughts on Leinart here? It truly could happenProbably among the best things a Campbell-exit could end up being. If you're going to give away a guy who as done as much as Jason while his value is low, it makes sense to pick up another guy with low stock.
Leinart makes a lot more sense than either Cutler or Sanchez did from a cost perspective.
If you're talking about a one for one trade, while the only thing negative I could say (that I haven't already) is, why do I have to root for Mike Shanahan?
GTripp0012 10-02-2009, 06:29 PM Plus, it would be the best thing to happen to Fred Davis' career.
I don't know what to think of pass protection schemes that have Davis blocking the LDE with no help in a non-blitz situation.
1) What the heck are Zorn/Bugel doing?
or
2) Todd Yoder would have been called for holding here.
Either way, he could play RT on this team. At 260 lbs.
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