Campbell's numbers dont lie

I wish those caps were in HD so I could tell who all the receivers and defenders were, but at least that guy illustrated his points.

I don't know enough about progressions or playcalling to know if those examples are entirely on Jason or not, but I will say this:

-- Regardless of what we think of Zorn as a playcaller or head coach, his coaching expertise was supposed to be as a QB coach, right?

I mean, working with Zorn for almost two years, I would expect that Jason is doing what Zorn has drilled him to do.

Yeah I dunno, I've seen that thread too and it's awfully easy to take some screen caps and say hey, that guy is open, or this guy is. What the pics don't tell you is who was open when JC made the decision to throw, what the pressure on him was like, where he was in his progression, etc.

One bloggers interesting take:

The failure of Jason Campbell in pictures (Lions game) - EXTREMESKINS.com (http://www.extremeskins.com/showthread.php?t=301745)The ones where Jason is forcing the ball deep, he's glaringly missing open receivers.

The other one's, he's using still frames to suggest that receivers will be open, but you can really do that. You need to have moving video to see how the play progresses. No matter how good you are with MS paint and red circles.

Clearly there's something to be learned from that, and it's perhaps that Campbell is being too aggressive. If it isn't there, it isn't there.

Yeah I dunno, I've seen that thread too and it's awfully easy to take some screen caps and say hey, that guy is open, or this guy is. What the pics don't tell you is who was open when JC made the decision to throw, what the pressure on him was like, where he was in his progression, etc.

Perfect example is on his first photo where it looks like Campbell overlooked a wide open man on the sideline to throw into double coverage down the middle, it was a busted play (pressure from the backside caused him to step up, then pressure was coming from the right) and at the time of the throw there was no angle to make that throw based on JC's body position and the 3 defenders in the area. I am watching the Short Cut right now and this is a clear indication of the video telling a story that the facts don't back up.

Perfect example is on his first photo where it looks like Campbell overlooked a wide open man on the sideline to throw into double coverage down the middle, it was a busted play (pressure from the backside caused him to step up, then pressure was coming from the right) and at the time of the throw there was no angle to make that throw based on JC's body position and the 3 defenders in the area. I am watching the Short Cut right now and this is a clear indication of the video telling a story that the facts don't back up.

Perfect example. Nice work.

The ones where Jason is forcing the ball deep, he's glaringly missing open receivers.

The other one's, he's using still frames to suggest that receivers will be open, but you can really do that. You need to have moving video to see how the play progresses. No matter how good you are with MS paint and red circles.

Clearly there's something to be learned from that, and it's perhaps that Campbell is being too aggressive. If it isn't there, it isn't there.

Which would be ironic since most complainers call him too conservative and too much of a dink/dunk checkdown guy.

Which would be ironic since most complainers call him too conservative and too much of a dink/dunk checkdown guy.

Yeah I mean how many times have we screamed for him to take some chances even to draw a PI?

Which would be ironic since most complainers call him too conservative and too much of a dink/dunk checkdown guy.

He said in the offseason that they'd been working on some of those deep throws into coverage. Each time w/one exception when he's gone mid to deep to Kelly, he's just not open. Even double covered.

I wouldn't be shocked to see Campbell starting in Arizona next year (assuming he's not starting here and KW has retired).

And if Mike Shanahan is our head coach I can almost guarantee you we will talk to the Cardinals about Matt Leinart. Shanahan really likes Leinart.

(If Gruden is the coach it's a more remote possibility)

I know that I complain about his play. My reasoning is that IMO he does nothing to elevate the play of those around him. Even 2nd year receivers that are supposed to make him better. Or to force that 8th man out of the box giving your running back more room to work with. He alerts no one about the blitzes that are coming, or should I say very rarely. When he does throw the ball deep, it looks good because it arcs up high and its going far but he doesn't hit his guy with much regularity. The fade routes that end up out of bounds. The fact that you rarely see that throw that beats a DB, by throwing it before the receiver breaks. You have to play the chess match with the MLB and I cannot take that this is the one guy in the league that is told what to do everytime. That he is the guy that caoches say hey, don't throw the ball to this guy or that guy. I'm sorry, I just can't.

The ones where Jason is forcing the ball deep, he's glaringly missing open receivers.

The other one's, he's using still frames to suggest that receivers will be open, but you can really do that. You need to have moving video to see how the play progresses. No matter how good you are with MS paint and red circles.

Clearly there's something to be learned from that, and it's perhaps that Campbell is being too aggressive. If it isn't there, it isn't there.

But how many posters have said you need to take the shot and maybe you get a PI off it, or if he had dumped it off, they would have screamed that his completion percentage is high because he dumped it off. Sometimes, a lot of times, JC is in a no win situation with his critics.