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skinsfan69 09-30-2009, 04:42 PM Campbell and Cutler are in really comparable offenses this year, so we can keep the comparisons with them all year long. I don't think anyone believes that one has a decisive advantage over the other in terms of talented teammates on the offense.
Can't use win/loss because Chicago's defense is both more talented and better coached.
But if Cutler ends up at the end of the year with much better stats, we can probably conclude he's the better quarterback. If he doesn't, well, our non-move in the offseason looks, really, really good.
I think he's already better. You saw what the NFL thought of Campbell when we was dangled out there during the off season....and you saw what someone paid to get Cutler. But I hope I'm wrong.
skinsfan69 09-30-2009, 04:45 PM The bottom line is we have a middle of the pack QB and it may always be that way. It's not like we've got a situation that's in Cleveland, Oakland, Tampa Bay, Carolina or KC. I mean Cleveland just benched Quinn to go back to Anderson. I don't think it's gets any worse than that.
GTripp0012 09-30-2009, 04:45 PM I think he's already better. You saw what the NFL thought of Campbell when we was dangled out there during the off season....and you saw what someone paid to get Cutler. But I hope I'm wrong.That also goes the other way around. Why was Cutler available if the Broncos didn't feel like they could do better? I mean, McDaniels probably felt that Kyle Orton could win more games than Cutler, as wrongheaded as that may have seemed, Orton has been at least as good through 3 games as Cutler has.
Well, the implication is that Cutler would also pay immediate dividends to the team that got him. At this point, he's probably cost the Bears a game and won them one, so he's probably more or less exactly what Kyle Orton would have done in the same timeframe. Kyle Orton, though, would have beaten the Packers and the Bears would have been closer to winning the division title than with Cutler.
Nobody who has been better than Campbell this season ever came remotely available. Unless you count Brees in 2006...
celts32 09-30-2009, 04:46 PM Okay Vinny, the jig is up, we know that's you in there.
If I were Vinny then Cutler would be starting for the Redskins. 25 year old franchise QB's don't grow on trees. I am 38 years old and the Redskins have been looking for one my whole life.
I wish I were Vinny because then I could resign and save the Redskins.
skinsfan69 09-30-2009, 04:54 PM If we had signed Drew Brees we wouldn't have been in this mess. All we would be talking about now is weather Brees would throw 5 or 10 touchdowns on Sunday. Then again the whole league is thinking the same thing.
I don't think anybody knew Brees would explode the way he has coming off that shoulder injury. He's just been flat out balling. See to me this is what shows how good a QB is. Is Devry Henderson, Robert Meachum, Marcus Colston, Lance Moore and Shockey any better than the guys we have??? Colston may be but that's it if you ask me. The rest of them seem like average players. Shockey is overrated. How do they move the ball the way they do with these guys??? It must be the QB, good scheme and o-line. But if you put JC in that offense they don't move the ball the way they do.
GTripp0012 09-30-2009, 04:57 PM I don't think anybody knew Brees would explode the way he has coming off that shoulder injury. He's just been flat out balling. See to me this is what shows how good a QB is. Is Devry Henderson, Robert Meachum, Marcus Colston, Lance Moore and Shockey any better than the guys we have??? Colston may be but that's it if you ask me. The rest of them seem like average players. Shockey is overrated. How do they move the ball the way they do with these guys??? It must be the QB, good scheme and o-line. But if you put JC in that offense they don't move the ball the way they do.I think we could make the case that no quarterback in NFL history is more accurate than Drew Brees. The guy does magical things with a football in his hands.
skinsfan69 09-30-2009, 04:58 PM That also goes the other way around. Why was Cutler available if the Broncos didn't feel like they could do better? I mean, McDaniels probably felt that Kyle Orton could win more games than Cutler, as wrongheaded as that may have seemed, Orton has been at least as good through 3 games as Cutler has.
Well, the implication is that Cutler would also pay immediate dividends to the team that got him. At this point, he's probably cost the Bears a game and won them one, so he's probably more or less exactly what Kyle Orton would have done in the same timeframe. Kyle Orton, though, would have beaten the Packers and the Bears would have been closer to winning the division title than with Cutler.
Nobody who has been better than Campbell this season ever came remotely available. Unless you count Brees in 2006...
Well that's casue McDaniels was a total dumbass and wanted his own guy and let it get out to the media. Otherwise there is no way in hell a guy like that becomes available. We're only 3 games in. Let's have this conversation again later on in the year. Over the long haul Denver is going no where with Orton IMO.
firstdown 09-30-2009, 04:59 PM I don't think anybody knew Brees would explode the way he has coming off that shoulder injury. He's just been flat out balling. See to me this is what shows how good a QB is. Is Devry Henderson, Robert Meachum, Marcus Colston, Lance Moore and Shockey any better than the guys we have??? Colston may be but that's it if you ask me. The rest of them seem like average players. Shockey is overrated. How do they move the ball the way they do with these guys??? It must be the QB, good scheme and o-line. But if you put JC in that offense they don't move the ball the way they do.
Your assuming he would not do as well.
GTripp0012 09-30-2009, 05:01 PM Well that's casue McDaniels was a total dumbass and wanted his own guy and let it get out to the media. Otherwise there is no way in hell a guy like that becomes available. We're only 3 games in. Let's have this conversation again later on in the year. Over the long haul Denver is going no where with Orton IMO.McDaniels probably won't look as good in Week 7 as he does in Week 3. But his big game is against New England. If he wins that one, even a 2-6 stretch in the next 8 games gives the Broncos a really good shot to win the division. And I can't believe I'm saying that because I was certain Seattle would be picking in the top 5 with Denver's first rounder.
How about the job Mike Nolan has done with that defense? Brady Quinn absolutely carved them up last year, and Nolan made him look like a green as grass rookie (as did Baltimore, but they do that to everyone).
Unlike last year (jsarno), I think Denver is completely for real.
dgack 09-30-2009, 05:53 PM If I were Vinny then Cutler would be starting for the Redskins. 25 year old franchise QB's don't grow on trees. I am 38 years old and the Redskins have been looking for one my whole life.
I wish I were Vinny because then I could resign and save the Redskins.
I was referring to how casually you were willing to drop three #1 picks ;)
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