Campbell's numbers dont lie

[being tired of 3 year old debate]
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I would rather have Ramsey

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JC is no more to us than what Trent Dilfer was to the Ravens. He is not a bad quarterback but he is not a guy that is going to win games for you.But Trent Dilfer was actually a bad quarterback.

Therefore, yeah, Campbell is better than him.

I think he's gotten way more time than he was getting last year. He might as well have been the tackling dummy.

I agree the line still isn't up to par, and when the pocket's collapsing there's really only so much you can do. But JC still seems to be on a learning curve as to what to do with the ball on the fly.

I by no means think he's a bad QB, in fact when he was struggling I was one of the people not calling for his head, I still don't. But I do think it looks as if he's still working on his QB mechanics.

Ironically the offensive line might have spent to much time on pass protection and at the same time neglected run blocking. It's similar to what happened to the Patriots during their 16-0 season. They ended up neglecting the run and by the end of the season they hadn't been able to develop a rhythm when it came to the running game. Then when they came against a pass rushing beast in the New York Giants they basically found themselves to be road kill.

It's an improvement for the Redskins O-line who spent the second half of last season unable to run block or pass block but what can you expect when you neglect the offensive line in favor of premadonna receivers.

Of course the players we have at running back should shoulder some of the blame. As we saw yesterday with the Lions and Kevin Smith. When he was in the game they were unstoppable, when he got hurt they weren't even able to get past the LOS. Ironically Chris Horton taking Kevin Smith out of the game is probably the main reason we were able to stay competitive in that game.

There were two third down plays yesterday, one near the redzone as well as the play on which he threw an interception, in which Campbell responded to pressure by ignoring open receivers - Moss and Are respectively - and throwing into coverage. And those were just the two I noticed on TV, there certainly could have been more. QB numbers matter, but as Mike Shanahan famously said you make your money as a QB in the NFL on third down, and that's where Campbell has really been struggling.

I get the argument that Campbell's supporting cast isn't helping him - hell I've made it myself for the past year - but at some point we have to start thinking about whether or not Campbell is the right player for the team we have now (which isn't getting any better anytime soon). They can't protect him and he's bad against pressure. I've seen the statistics about how prolific Campbell is when given time to throw but when is he given time to throw? And when will he be? Our line is old and the cupboard is bare. There's no budding linemen pushing the older guys to start.

So if it becomes clear that he won't be coming back next year, and wow it's going to take a lot for that not to be the case, when do we need to think about making a change?

im not the biggest fan of campbell, i believe he is an above average qb, nothing more, but those who argue that his stats are good, therefore he is good need to remember mark brunell had some good stats while here, doesnt mean the offese was good with him at the helm.

I really like how JC has played this season. Our problem is that we can't punch it in and that's a direct function of coaching.

WHOOOOOOOOAA!!!...I'm on tonight
You know Campbell's numbers don't lie...
And I am starting to feel you boy...

Come on let's go...real slow...
Don't you see baby the QB es perfecto!

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There were two third down plays yesterday, one near the redzone as well as the play on which he threw an interception, in which Campbell responded to pressure by ignoring open receivers - Moss and Are respectively - and throwing into coverage. And those were just the two I noticed on TV, there certainly could have been more. QB numbers matter, but as Mike Shanahan famously said you make your money as a QB in the NFL on third down, and that's where Campbell has really been struggling.

I get the argument that Campbell's supporting cast isn't helping him - hell I've made it myself for the past year - but at some point we have to start thinking about whether or not Campbell is the right player for the team we have now (which isn't getting any better anytime soon). They can't protect him and he's bad against pressure. I've seen the statistics about how prolific Campbell is when given time to throw but when is he given time to throw? And when will he be? Our line is old and the cupboard is bare. There's no budding linemen pushing the older guys to start.

So if it becomes clear that he won't be coming back next year, and wow it's going to take a lot for that not to be the case, when do we need to think about making a change?Campbell was pretty darn good on third down in the first two games, and not so good yesterday.

QBs may earn their money on third downs, but the best third down players are also the best first and second down players.

I do agree that if this offense doesn't improve with him at the helm, there's no particular reason to give him a lot of money to oversee even more years of offensive mistakes. He's the kind of player you can build around, but if we haven't done it yet, I don't see it why we would in the future.

None of our problems have ever been about the QB position, and since we can't win with a decent quarterback, I'm thinking it might not matter whether we have one or not. We can lose a lot of games with this defense, this running game, and whoever at the helm. Doesn't really even matter if the current group fails.

Among the problems this team has, I'd put Campbell in the top 10, probably around 9. My lack of faith and trust in Zorn is such that I hope JC gets extended just to see what Shanny or Gruden can accomplish with him.

One of the posters previously noted 6 possessions where the team didn't score in the red zone that were not JC related. It's hard to blame one man for everything yet some fans are convicted to do just that.

1. Rating: 92.5 Higher than Brady, Big Ben, C. Palmer, Cutler, and Rivers
He also has the most passing attempts in anyone in the group and the least TDs.

Again, It's not all his fault but it's pretty much the same shit that got Brunell run out of town.