Campbell's numbers dont lie

Of course, I would be giving credit- IF the redskins had a winning record. But they are at 1-2. It wouldn't make sense to look at the wins from the previous seasons and giving out credit, when they are losing and not performing well now.

So just so I'm clear:

* Campbell is to blame for at least a few of the games we lost last year.
* If we had a winning record *this* year, he'd get some back credit for the wins *last* year but since we lost one game more than we've won this season, he does not.

Success has many fathers but failure is an orphan.

So just so I'm clear:

* Campbell is to blame for at least a few of the games we lost last year.
* If we had a winning record *this* year, he'd get some back credit for the wins *last* year but since we lost one game more than we've won this season, he does not.

Success has many fathers but failure is an orphan.

Never said anything about last year's performance in that post. Just pointed out how important the 2 games that the redskins lost this season.

ive been thinking alot lately about the best approach to building a winning franchise after reading some of the lions fans forums. they seem pretty split on the two major approaches:

1) try to get lucky and get yourself a franchise qb in the draft.

or

2) build thru the trenches and draft to have a solid deep team in which you only need a decent/good qb

i am not the right person nor knowledgeable enough to put together a thread worth discussing but i do find it real interesting. either way has pros - cons. a great qb makes his line, recievers and coaches look better and it only takes perfect draft pick. but (imo) its easier to evaluate O line and D players in the draft than it is to land that special qb who only comes around once every few years. i would argue matt ryan was the one last year with flacco looking great under cameron.

lol you see im already all over the place in my thoughts.

does anyone know any real informative, history based intensive sports article regarding the best philosophy to build a winning franchise? has bill parcells written a book yet lol?

i should probably just google.

go skins!!You raise good points, but it you end up doing 1) and not 2) or 2) and not 1), the result isn't going to get you where you want to go.

The Skins made a nice value pick in Campbell at No. 25 in the 2005 draft. At that point, QBs are about a 50% proposition, and Campbell has certainly exceeded that expectation. But, through all the work I've done, they lagged along in the No. 2 department, making their investment in No. 1 kind of a waste of time.

They, of course, can go develop quality players around him whenever they want to including the remainder of this season. But our player acquisition abilities, while certainly not the worst, have been sub-optimal. And we kind of brought Campbell along slowly with the expectation that he could surprise a lot of people in 2008. But the execution of the plan was poor, and plan B was to freak out and try to go for the quick fix once again. As it normally is.

When we drafted Jason Campbell, we took a potential franchise QB, and I thought (outside of the way we shifted the offenses on him) we handled his development pretty well, but at this point, I'm seriously questioning whether the Redskins are ever going to get the payoff. Right now, Campbell is stranded on a team with a highly paid but sometimes average, usually crappy defense, no running game, and receivers that he needs to make better, not the other way around. It's just a horrible situation.

Maybe there's something to the fact that this team must be bad before things get better.

Different game and different season. I believe if you put the Tom Brady of that game in with the redskins in the Giants and Lions games of this season, I think that the redskins would have won the giants game and would have whipped up on the Lions.

Just look at Brady in the first game of this season, he made the big plays to win that game when he had the chance. Campbell has had his chances, too.Not *this years* Tom Brady. We'd probably be 0-3.

Pre-injury Brady, yes, I think we beat the Lions to go to 2-1.

I think we are about to get to the point where we are going to agree to disagree...but saying I am mistaken makes me scratch my head, so please inform me how exactly Campbell has been proficient in the redzone? What have I missed?

There are certain stats that don't lie like fumbles...you can blame no one but yourself with fumbles. Of course you could try to blame the line, but bottom line is when you fumble, it's on you, you need to protect the ball!

So let me get this straight, you are saying the reason we beat the Rams is cause Campbell had a good completion percentage?We beat the Rams because the defense stayed competitive the entire second half (allowing no points, which should be expected against the Rams), and Jason's efficiency (despite poor OL play post-Thomas) served to set up Suisham three times.

Campbell's proficiency in the red zone is mostly based around his play between the 10 and the 20. Inside the ten, he's really not even been given a "read" play all year. There was one against the Giants, and we just completely didn't block the blitz.

Campbell has gotten Zorn to a second season, so he might as well dance with him, IMO.

Absolutely! He's been given ample opportunity...when does "potential" become realized?If a tree falls in the forest and no one is there to hear it does it make a sound?

If Jason Campbell makes major progress in the stat sheet, and no one is there to read it, is he doing any better?

There's a lot of reasons our offense has struggled since last year's Lions game. The offensive line has not been good and has taken plenty of blows. The running game has not been a factor. The receivers were completely lost all of last year.

This year, the receivers are doing a better job and I think it shows up in Campbell's overall numbers. But the total product hasn't come yet. You do have to give it more than three games if you are looking for everything to come together at once. Just a week ago, Detroit was playing like the worst team in football. After an impressive win against us, they probably aren't one of the five worst teams in football.

We rank middle of the pack in offense, middle of the pack in defense, but our special teams have actually been pretty good (http://footballoutsiders.com/stats/teamst). Which is a major upgrade from last year. But progress from this point on either offense or defense will be needed to put the whole package together.

Never said anything about last year's performance in that post. Just pointed out how important the 2 games that the redskins lost this season.

What? Yes you did, it's sitting right there in the quote box!

You said:

2 losses that easily could have been won by campbell if he makes the plays - this is the difference between 10-6 and 8-8 of last season.

"It wouldn't make sense to look at the wins from the previous seasons and giving out credit, when they are losing and not performing well now."

So you are saying it's not fair to give Jason credit for wins last season because the team has a losing record this year. But you also said in the previous post that you do hold him responsible for the team being 8-8 instead of 10-6.

First off.. Bro. You might not wanna assume everyone here is male, considering I'm not.

Nothing's wrong for having love for a team where you used to live. That doesn't make you any less of a fan of the current team you like.

Speaking of non-males... You know who I miss. Hess. lol you old timers know who I'm talking about.

I was just thinking about that D.

Yet here we are still banging away at this dead issue.

I don't get it.

Weren't you the one who said the stupidity of mankind never ceases to amaze you. This is just another example.

Not *this years* Tom Brady. We'd probably be 0-3.

Pre-injury Brady, yes, I think we beat the Lions to go to 2-1.

I'd take this year's Brady in a heartbeat. And we'd be 3-0.