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dmvskinzfan08 09-28-2009, 07:46 PM Good stats, except for how many TDs he's thrown. Where's that stat? You could have a 130 QB rating and 4000+ yards, but at the end of the day when you're not putting the ball in the endzone... Yeah... Almost makes everything else moot.
While that may not be totally JC's fault, everyone's gonna end up pointing their finger at him at the end of the day.
Hmm...
-Thomas drops a TD pass
-Sellers drops a TD pass
-Zorn calls a HB option play
-We try to run the ball in at the goal line on 2 separate occasions
-Moss fumbles in the redzone
6 opps we came up with that pan out that weren't JC's fault. I may be missing some. But those are the ones I can think of right off hand.
*Not enough passes down the field for bombs. Why because he doesn't have time. By the end of the season if the line can start to hodl up many will be eating crow. We expect Manning & Brady. But at times this year they have had bad games. Brady just got out of his funk injured or not. We dont have the cohesiveness and discipline as a offense. So any QB would struggle here.
Do you see a pattern here?
doughtydoubter 09-28-2009, 07:48 PM i dont hate on jc i love the guy...but what he lacks is leadership to take the game into his hands and get the win. where is the stat on 4th quarter comebacks on him
redskin4n 09-28-2009, 07:53 PM Good stats, except for how many TDs he's thrown. Where's that stat? You could have a 130 QB rating and 4000+ yards, but at the end of the day when you're not putting the ball in the endzone... Yeah... Almost makes everything else moot.
While that may not be totally JC's fault, everyone's gonna end up pointing their finger at him at the end of the day.
Lol besides the no huddle(Where he calls his own plays), how many times has he gotten a chance to throw it. How many times when he did throw did the reciever either drop it or not run it in after the catch. You need to start paying attention.
In my opinion its not anyOnes fault but the team as a whole. Ya know what i mean? Like how #17 & #89 were clicking, the whole team needs to do. Then well be ready for week seven.
skinsfan69 09-28-2009, 07:55 PM Every thread someone is calling for campbell to be benched but his numbers are great.
1. Rating: 92.5 Higher than Brady, Big Ben, C. Palmer, Cutler, and Rivers
2. 9th in passing yards: More that Rodgers, Ryan, Palmer, E. Manning, & Cutler
3. 5th in the Comp. Percent. 67.6%: Higher than everyone in the league except P. Manning, Brees, Big Ben, and Chad Penn.
So what else does he have to do to be considered a good QB. The Skins have a good QB, just bad playcalling, no running game, and no O-line. Get off campbell's back. He is doing more with less better than anyone in the NFL. Check the stats the STATS don't lie!
Wrong! Stats do lie. He's not getting the team in the end zone. Not all his fault but some of it is. I'd say the stats look better than he's actually played. There have been some garbage numbers. I think he's been kind of average on a bad offense.
dmvskinzfan08 09-28-2009, 07:55 PM i dont hate on jc i love the guy...but what he lacks is leadership to take the game into his hands and get the win. where is the stat on 4th quarter comebacks on him
What are the stats on 4th quarter comebacks for most QBs. Ifyou said 4th quarter it might have been acceptable. But the comebacks kind of made yoru arguement less relevant. Only because only the great ones do that. Like Favre Manning and Brady. Only a hand full are probably successful. Even these Qbs had to take some lumps to get where they are. There is no learning curve in Skins Nation and most people are unrealistic or impatient in their expectations. Brady was in the same system fo ryeas before he started. Manning was horrible his first year and okay the second year as a starter. it took years for him to win a Superbowl. His system remained intact also. Favre. If Favre was here as a young player he would never have reached his potential. He would have been ran out of town.
So all I ask is be realistic and be patient. Mannings and Brady's dont come around that often. Both Flacco and Ryan are a product of a system that is QB friendly as far as their defenses and running games go. You can also say this for the coveted Sanchez. He is not putting up big numbers. he is maintaining the game and has a very good offense.
dmvskinzfan08 09-28-2009, 07:57 PM Wrong! Stats do lie. He's not getting the team in the end zone. Not all his fault but some of it is. I'd say the stats look better than he's actually played. There have been some garbage numbers. I think he's been kind of average on a bad offense.
Okay say stats do lie. In the list that he mentioned by the OP which one of those QBs do you think is not a good QB?
GTripp0012 09-28-2009, 07:58 PM What are the stats on 4th quarter comebacks for most QBs. Ifyou said 4th quarter it might have been acceptable. But the comebacks kind of made yoru arguement less relevant. Only because only the great ones do that. Like Favre Manning and Brady. Only a hand full are probably successful. Even these Qbs had to take some lumps to get where they are. There is no learning curve in Skins Nation and most people are unrealistic or impatient in their expectations. Brady was in the same system fo ryeas before he started. Manning was horrible his first year and okay the second year as a starter. it took years for him to win a Superbowl. His system remained intact also. Favre. If Favre was here as a young player he would never have reached his potential. He would have been ran out of town.
So all I ask is be realistic and be patient. Mannings and Brady's dont come around that often. Both Flacco and Ryan are a product of a system that is QB friendly as far as their defenses and running games go. You can also say this for the coveted Sanchez. He is not putting up big numbers. he is maintaining the game and has a very good offense.Yeah, I agree. If you want a clutch stat, don't pick one that is biased against certain players. Just take the 4th quarter split, and see how that changes the numbers.
Of course, you need many years of 4th quarter play to make it a relevant sample.
When was the last time JC made a throw to win a game? I'm not talking about a dump pass or a quick slant either. When has he hit a streaking receiver in stride to give us the lead? I can't remember...
When was the last time JC overthrew a ball that would've resulted in a TD? Happens almost every week.
When we have one final play from our 35 yard line, We choose to run a gadget play across the middle.
The vikings were in the same situation and favre launched a rocket into his WR's hands. Don't tell me that minnesotas WR's are better than ours...
JC is so concerned about not making a bad play, he seldom makes anything other than a routine throw.
When was the last time JC threw the ball downfield in a jumpball situation? Teams do it all the time.
JC is no more to us than what Trent Dilfer was to the Ravens. He is not a bad quarterback but he is not a guy that is going to win games for you.
DynamiteRave 09-28-2009, 08:00 PM Lol besides the no huddle(Where he calls his own plays), how many times has he gotten a chance to throw it. How many times when he did throw did the reciever either drop it or not run it in after the catch. You need to start paying attention.
In my opinion its not anyOnes fault but the team as a whole. Ya know what i mean? Like how #17 & #89 were clicking, the whole team needs to do. Then well be ready for week seven.
I think he's gotten way more time than he was getting last year. He might as well have been the tackling dummy.
I agree the line still isn't up to par, and when the pocket's collapsing there's really only so much you can do. But JC still seems to be on a learning curve as to what to do with the ball on the fly.
I by no means think he's a bad QB, in fact when he was struggling I was one of the people not calling for his head, I still don't. But I do think it looks as if he's still working on his QB mechanics.
skinsfan_nn 09-28-2009, 08:00 PM Every thread someone is calling for campbell to be benched but his numbers are great.
1. Rating: 92.5 Higher than Brady, Big Ben, C. Palmer, Cutler, and Rivers
2. 9th in passing yards: More that Rodgers, Ryan, Palmer, E. Manning, & Cutler
3. 5th in the Comp. Percent. 67.6%: Higher than everyone in the league except P. Manning, Brees, Big Ben, and Chad Penn.
So what else does he have to do to be considered a good QB. The Skins have a good QB, just bad playcalling, no running game, and no O-line. Get off campbell's back. He is doing more with less better than anyone in the NFL. Check the stats the STATS don't lie!
Damn SOUP, I didn't know you where a member of the path. Shouldn't you be studying your damn play book, and getting ready for the bucs....?
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